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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

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Gettingbysomehow · 27/04/2026 19:41

I fell asleep half way through. We know what women really are because we are women.
You are definitely not a woman.

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/04/2026 19:45

HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:48

And to anyone still on the fence, take a look - a proper look - at the first few responses.

Are these rational, intelligent, or inquisitive responses and a desire to engage? Do they seem like the kind of statements made by empathetic people? Or might they possibly, just possibly, appear to underline my opening post? 🤔

You are knowingly posting an a board in which you surely know has long been one of the only places where women who reject trans ideology can meet and openly discuss the issue. You are therefore receiving the sorts of responses you set out to achieve.

teawamutu · 27/04/2026 19:46

A few more from my extensive Terf meme collection, just for the OP's further education.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 27/04/2026 19:46

HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:48

And to anyone still on the fence, take a look - a proper look - at the first few responses.

Are these rational, intelligent, or inquisitive responses and a desire to engage? Do they seem like the kind of statements made by empathetic people? Or might they possibly, just possibly, appear to underline my opening post? 🤔

Years and years ago you can see those types of answers.

The respose was #NoDebate 'die in a fire TERF'.

Now TRAs want those answers back. We don't have a time machine.

Taztoy · 27/04/2026 19:47

@HazelLemur if I take what you say at face value and you identify as female, that doesn’t change the fact that you aren’t a woman and you’re not entitled to be in a woman’s single sex space.

teawamutu · 27/04/2026 19:48

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/04/2026 19:46

Years and years ago you can see those types of answers.

The respose was #NoDebate 'die in a fire TERF'.

Now TRAs want those answers back. We don't have a time machine.

Also 'women saying no and taking the piss out of my absurd pompous mansplain' does not prove that humans change sex, bro. Sorry not sorry.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/04/2026 19:49

Thanks OP for generating so many very funny resposes. I've laughed so much
😂😂😂

AccordingToWhom · 27/04/2026 19:49

Oh ffs. It's 2026 and people are still.posting drivel like this.

Waitwhat23 · 27/04/2026 20:00

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 27/04/2026 18:43

I’m proudly pro-trans but I strongly suspect your post is going to fall on very deaf ears, because:

  1. It was a bit patronising, sorry to point that out.
  2. mumsnet is a bit TERF-y. Don’t know why, but it is.

Hope you have your tin hat on!

Mumsnet is a 'bit TERF-y' because it's a big part of why the UK is TERF island and it's how and why women in the UK have made such strides at pushing back the women hating nonsense which is gender ideology.

This image always makes me proud!

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?
NoWordForFluffy · 27/04/2026 20:00

RufustheFactualReindeer · 27/04/2026 17:48

I actually read it 😳 thats how depressing my life is

Taking one for the team! 👊

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 20:01

"Do they seem like the kind of statements made by empathetic people?"

Why the fuck should I be empathetic to a random bunch of men or a singular man who is basically lying and expecting, or demanding, me to go along with it?

I'm empathetic towards women who identify as men, because they are women.

But men who identify as women. Nope! Any remaining empathy I had for those men disappeared the day one of them decided to be an absolute arsehole on a thread started by a rape victim when he was working for the organisation she was going to court against.

And before the men who identify as women declare me transphobic a) see comment above about women who identify as man and b) it's not just one cohort of men I don't have any empathy for, these days I've got no empathy left for any men.

I'm all out of fucks to give.

PsychosexualAxeToGrind · 27/04/2026 20:02

Did someone call me?
I've been all over the house, searching for a working moral compass. I've even looked in DH's shed, without success. Always in the last place you look! Anyway. Never mind eh?

OP- you lost me at "anti-trans"
And the intersex (correctly termed DSDs) stuff
And the rest of your post

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 20:03

PsychosexualAxeToGrind · 27/04/2026 20:02

Did someone call me?
I've been all over the house, searching for a working moral compass. I've even looked in DH's shed, without success. Always in the last place you look! Anyway. Never mind eh?

OP- you lost me at "anti-trans"
And the intersex (correctly termed DSDs) stuff
And the rest of your post

Have you looked down the back of the sofa?

Waitwhat23 · 27/04/2026 20:05

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 20:01

"Do they seem like the kind of statements made by empathetic people?"

Why the fuck should I be empathetic to a random bunch of men or a singular man who is basically lying and expecting, or demanding, me to go along with it?

I'm empathetic towards women who identify as men, because they are women.

But men who identify as women. Nope! Any remaining empathy I had for those men disappeared the day one of them decided to be an absolute arsehole on a thread started by a rape victim when he was working for the organisation she was going to court against.

And before the men who identify as women declare me transphobic a) see comment above about women who identify as man and b) it's not just one cohort of men I don't have any empathy for, these days I've got no empathy left for any men.

I'm all out of fucks to give.

Same.

My response to shite like the OP has hardened over time and is now best distilled as 'don't be so fucking stupid'.

ElenOfTheWays · 27/04/2026 20:05

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 20:03

Have you looked down the back of the sofa?

It's never there.

PsychosexualAxeToGrind · 27/04/2026 20:06

ElenOfTheWays · 27/04/2026 20:05

It's never there.

Bloody hell
Does OP expect me to move the dog as well??

Hedgehogforshort · 27/04/2026 20:08

Ha i do believe hellofabore found that OP sooo boring she could not be arsed to reply. As seems so, for many of our other fact rich analytical responders with the patience of saints.
Mansplaining sums it up for me.

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 20:08

ElenOfTheWays · 27/04/2026 20:05

It's never there.

Definitely never is in my house as I don't own a sofa!

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/04/2026 20:10

PsychosexualAxeToGrind · 27/04/2026 20:02

Did someone call me?
I've been all over the house, searching for a working moral compass. I've even looked in DH's shed, without success. Always in the last place you look! Anyway. Never mind eh?

OP- you lost me at "anti-trans"
And the intersex (correctly termed DSDs) stuff
And the rest of your post

Excellent username.

I was contemplating adopting one of the other phrases from the OP. Possibly:

Triumphal Sneering
Inveterate Bigot
Anti-Trans Brigade
Science Innit

or possibly, the ever-popular:

Transphobic Bigot

I do suspect though, that you managed to snag the best name from the OP. Damn you and your axe.

Waitwhat23 · 27/04/2026 20:10

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 20:08

Definitely never is in my house as I don't own a sofa!

Futon?
Blow up chair?
Lawn furniture?
Throne of knives?

Hedgehogforshort · 27/04/2026 20:10

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 20:08

Definitely never is in my house as I don't own a sofa!

What do you sit on? Chairs i suppose, or do you own a chaise long? An AI image would be much appreciated.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/04/2026 20:11

Hedgehogforshort · 27/04/2026 20:08

Ha i do believe hellofabore found that OP sooo boring she could not be arsed to reply. As seems so, for many of our other fact rich analytical responders with the patience of saints.
Mansplaining sums it up for me.

Yes. They've got to show a smidgen of intelligent discourse Mansplaining and abuse don't cut it any more.

ElenOfTheWays · 27/04/2026 20:12

PsychosexualAxeToGrind · 27/04/2026 20:06

Bloody hell
Does OP expect me to move the dog as well??

Yes and everything in the fridge. Its probably behind the jam

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 20:14

Waitwhat23 · 27/04/2026 20:10

Futon?
Blow up chair?
Lawn furniture?
Throne of knives?

Recliner chairs. So much shit falls down the sides and gets stuck on a little metal sticky out bit. If I've spent 5 minutes looking for something that was there when I sat down and I can't find it you can guarantee if I shove my hand down the gap my lighter/pen/phone/hair band/hand cream/remote control/hairbrush will be there!

OotontheRandan · 27/04/2026 20:14

I read the first paragraph of the first post and honestly... wise up. You know what woman is. Just like you know what a trans woman is.

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