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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

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HazelLemur · Today 11:04

PrizedPickledPopcorn · Today 10:59

It is disappointing it’s not a single sex space.
I appreciate the very many sensible men who post here, and in no way wish them to self exclude.
I just wish there was a way of having a chat about sensitive subjects with just women.

But surely you'd then risk it simply becoming more of an echo-chamber?

Active debate needs varying points of view; either to confirm our own beliefs or to open us up to alternative ways of thinking.

Why do you think I posted on FW in MN, knowing full well its reputation?

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SirChenjins · Today 11:04

HazelLemur · Today 11:00

To be fair, you - personally - have controlled yourself. And it's appreciated.

Who else on this thread has your appreciation? It would be helpful if you could list those posters on here who you feel don't and provide evidence to support your claims.

HazelLemur · Today 11:09

SirChenjins · Today 11:04

Who else on this thread has your appreciation? It would be helpful if you could list those posters on here who you feel don't and provide evidence to support your claims.

😂😂😂

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MagpiePi · Today 11:09

My treatment by society makes me a woman. Regardless of what I wear, how I style my hair, whether I wear or don't wear makeup, the tone of my voice, I will always be identified by others as a woman.

How do you know people aren't just being polite and kind because they see you as a man wanting to be treated as a woman? Have you conducted an anonymous poll of random strangers with the question 'Is this person a man or a woman?'

Taztoy · Today 11:11

HazelLemur · Today 11:00

To be fair, you - personally - have controlled yourself. And it's appreciated.

Can you explain what you mean by the statement that I have controlled myself?

SirChenjins · Today 11:12

HazelLemur · Today 11:09

😂😂😂

Well, what a surprise.

quantumbutterfly · Today 11:15

HazelLemur · Today 11:04

But surely you'd then risk it simply becoming more of an echo-chamber?

Active debate needs varying points of view; either to confirm our own beliefs or to open us up to alternative ways of thinking.

Why do you think I posted on FW in MN, knowing full well its reputation?

Depends, MN has created boards for black, Christian, Muslim, Jewish & Irish mumsnetters where they discuss issues that are pertinent to them and provide mutual support. I suspect if you were to pop in with a counter narrative to their concerns regarding eg racism, antisemitism, islamophobia without their lived experience you might get some push back.

OldCrone · Today 11:17

MagpiePi · Today 11:09

My treatment by society makes me a woman. Regardless of what I wear, how I style my hair, whether I wear or don't wear makeup, the tone of my voice, I will always be identified by others as a woman.

How do you know people aren't just being polite and kind because they see you as a man wanting to be treated as a woman? Have you conducted an anonymous poll of random strangers with the question 'Is this person a man or a woman?'

If being a woman is something which only happens when other people treat them as a woman, it also means their gender identity just disappears when they're on their own.

So gender identity is just a costume to parade in front of other people, which means that trans people don't really exist after all.

An interesting viewpoint since it was posted by someone who claims to be a trans person. They seem to be denying their own existence.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · Today 11:17

HazelLemur · Today 11:04

But surely you'd then risk it simply becoming more of an echo-chamber?

Active debate needs varying points of view; either to confirm our own beliefs or to open us up to alternative ways of thinking.

Why do you think I posted on FW in MN, knowing full well its reputation?

Having read a couple of your posts, I don't think anyone here has the slightest doubt .

It's interesting that you perceive different opinions, view points, referal to entirely proven and legal truths, and the defense of women's needs and rights, as a 'lack of control' on the part of women. Nuff said really. Perhaps try a spreadsheet, that appears to be this week's cope.

lcakethereforeIam · Today 11:18

HazelLemur · Today 11:04

But surely you'd then risk it simply becoming more of an echo-chamber?

Active debate needs varying points of view; either to confirm our own beliefs or to open us up to alternative ways of thinking.

Why do you think I posted on FW in MN, knowing full well its reputation?

You mean like reddit?

Taztoy · Today 11:19

Taztoy · Today 11:11

Can you explain what you mean by the statement that I have controlled myself?

Just to follow up.

To control oneself is the ability to regulate emotions, thoughts, and behaviors in the face of impulses, temptations, or frustration to achieve long-term goals. It involves restraining immediate desires—such as anger or unhealthy urges—to act in a controlled, calm, or rational manner, often referred to as willpower or self-discipline

I don’t have unhealthy urges. Your inference that I do is unwarranted.

I post calmly and rationally, asking questions. I don’t get answers. I’ve asked multiple times, the same questions, and I’ve been mocked, belittled and outright laughed at by trans individuals and their supporters. I’ve been accused of saying and doing things I did not do. When I ask for evidence, none is forthcoming. And finally, I’ve been stopped from explaining why exactly I need women’s single sex spaces on the grounds that it’s too upsetting for others to read.

do you really think that’s a fair way to treat anyone? Do you think it’s in the spirit of reasonable debate to make insinuations about me?

OldCrone · Today 11:21

HazelLemur · Today 11:04

But surely you'd then risk it simply becoming more of an echo-chamber?

Active debate needs varying points of view; either to confirm our own beliefs or to open us up to alternative ways of thinking.

Why do you think I posted on FW in MN, knowing full well its reputation?

We could have different points of view, even if the discussion was only between women. Not all women think the same.

DeanElderberry · Today 11:25

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 06:15

99.9999999 is over egging it, some lifeforms reproduce by cloning, like the 6,000,000 forms of bacteria, and sea anemones.

otoh, higher plants have male and female sex parts (sometimes within the same flower, but still binary.

No spergs.

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NarnianQueen · Today 11:26

Trans people don’t have intersex conditions though? What are you conflating the two?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 11:28

HazelLemur · Today 10:49

"I believe transwomen are men, and that, unless they break the law, they deserve kindness, respect, and compassion, as all human beings do. But they do not have a right to enter women's spaces."

I suspect, given the treatment I and others have been subjected to, that also means we don't have the right to enter MN as a space? Certainly the flaming brands and pitchforks for the 'trans-monster' are in abundance here...

...which, to be fair, I knew before I ever registered 😉

Given your thread is still here, and not deleted and you have been debated - clearly you don't understand much do you?

rocer · Today 11:41

HazelLemur · Today 11:09

😂😂😂

I see this thread is still active, @HazelLemur. I note, also, there has been no response to my claim (following a supporting quotation from the Laurance S. Rockefeller Professor of Philosophy at MIT and a reference to Gilbert Ryle's classic 'The Concept of Mind' (1949)) regarding the notion of gender identity, namely that there is no such thing.

Given the dependence of all you claim (about your status as a trans person and that of other similar people) on this very notion, it would be unfortunate for you if it is, as seems to be the case, at best empty. No?

Have you anything in response, @HazelLemur (other than simple denial or abuse)? Or will it just stand?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GENDER IDENTITY.

theilltemperedamateur · Today 11:42

quantumbutterfly · Today 11:15

Depends, MN has created boards for black, Christian, Muslim, Jewish & Irish mumsnetters where they discuss issues that are pertinent to them and provide mutual support. I suspect if you were to pop in with a counter narrative to their concerns regarding eg racism, antisemitism, islamophobia without their lived experience you might get some push back.

I'm sure that they would entertain him politely if he presented as a curious and respectful outsider. The trouble would start when he told them that he has successfully disguised himself as one of them, and therefore is – and understands everything about being – one of them.

GriseldaandMike · Today 11:45

OldCrone · Today 11:21

We could have different points of view, even if the discussion was only between women. Not all women think the same.

Really? You mean there is more to being a woman than a head full of fwuffy kittens and shopping for clothes? Who knew!

Boiledbeetle · Today 11:48

HazelLemur · Today 11:04

But surely you'd then risk it simply becoming more of an echo-chamber?

Active debate needs varying points of view; either to confirm our own beliefs or to open us up to alternative ways of thinking.

Why do you think I posted on FW in MN, knowing full well its reputation?

And active debate, varying points etc sometimes would be preferable with just women, especially when discussing topics that have absolutely nothing to do with men.

HazelLemur · Today 11:52

OldCrone · Today 11:21

We could have different points of view, even if the discussion was only between women. Not all women think the same.

True, but then you'd not have the group-think sport of attacking trans-posters and ardently telling them they are things they aren't.

It would be a very boring board without that, I suspect.

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Taztoy · Today 11:56

HazelLemur · Today 11:52

True, but then you'd not have the group-think sport of attacking trans-posters and ardently telling them they are things they aren't.

It would be a very boring board without that, I suspect.

I have never attacked a trans poster in my life.

HazelLemur · Today 11:57

Taztoy · Today 11:56

I have never attacked a trans poster in my life.

I repeat; you have controlled yourself.

You are not the problem.

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SirChenjins · Today 11:57

Taztoy · Today 11:56

I have never attacked a trans poster in my life.

Same. No splintery rolling pins here - figuratively or otherwise.

Taztoy · Today 11:58

HazelLemur · Today 11:57

I repeat; you have controlled yourself.

You are not the problem.

Why are you continuing to make insinuations about me?

GriseldaandMike · Today 11:58

HazelLemur · Today 11:52

True, but then you'd not have the group-think sport of attacking trans-posters and ardently telling them they are things they aren't.

It would be a very boring board without that, I suspect.

Well stop telling us you are something you aren't (a woman). Or even better tell us what a woman is if it isn't biological. What makes you a woman? I've been waiting for the answer to that one for years.

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