Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

[Waheymum]

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

Transgender women are men.

You're better off avoiding all men. Whether they pretend they're women or not.

Statistically, you don’t need to cross the road - you’re more likely to get run over than attacked.

Transgender women retain the same offending rates as men.

That would be because they are men.

Enough with the cisgender crap too!

Seconded

How would you even know which was which?

Yes, they are a tiny minority and of that tiny minority, the vast majority pose no threat and just want to get on with their lives.

But humans always create in and out groups and currently one of the out groups is trans people.

Agree.

Among the prisoner population, transgender men have a much higher rate of committing sexual offences than other men.

Maybe this will be useful for readers.

This was a question answered in Parliament in 23 December 2024:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024

Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

Just a note on this:
Regarding the % of male prisoners in UK with transgender identities. The mentioned above for the year ending 31 March 2024 had the figure that 151 of the 243 male prisoners in the UK prisons had at least one sex offence on their record.

The ratio changed from 43.3% (88/203) having at least one sex offence to their name at 31 March 2023 to 151/243 to 62.1% as at 31 March 2024.

The increase of the overall number of male prisoners with transgender identities in the UK prisons between 2023 and 2024 was only 42 yet the increase in the sex offenders was 63.

In 2019, there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders. I haven’t looked up the stats since. But I wouldn’t expect this will be different. Last time I looked at the raw stats for female sex offences, they had remained stable numbers for a decade or more despite population growth.

For male people with transgender identities to have the same rate of committing sex offences, there would be 8 (3.3% of 243) prisoners with trans identities in the UK prison population with sex offences.

8
Not 151.

And if someone tries to suggest that the majority of these male prisoners have declared that they are women to gain access to the female prisons, I doubt this is true.

Considering the sex crime numbers for that prison population jumped from 88 to 151 male prisoners with a sex offence that declared they were women in a year (31 March 2024 to 31 March 2024) AFTER the publishing of the guidance in early February 2023, I seriously doubt these new prisoners are making declarations for the benefit of getting into the female prison.

If there was a man on either side of the road, I’d probably stay on the side I was on provided it was the best lit.

And make sure I had my alarm in my pocket.

No need to use the term cis either

Here is data from the MoJ
Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.
There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female.
What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.

As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.

And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.
I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.
The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

This is why NO SUB GROUP OF MALE PEOPLE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM RISK ASSESSMENT. This group of male people still retain the same male pattern of committing sex and violent crime, at ANY STAGE OF TRANSITION.

People who say they’re trans may indeed be a minority, but fuck me don’t we know about them.

In a FB group I’m in, one bloke in particular bombards it with his ‘girl’ feelz. Head tilt, smirk - the usual. And the amount of gushing over him is nauseating.

Wow, if that is the case, they are really overrepresented in the prison stats, especially for sexual crimes.

And if you are avoiding one of the men, I'd suggest avoiding any that outwardly display signs of mental instability.

Cross sex hormones have a lot to answer for, they are being used as tictac replacements for genuine mental health help. And it's starting to show.

Transwomen are men. There levels and patterns of offending remain at least as high as non trans identified men and if anything trans identified males in prison are more likely to be in there for sexual offenses.

If I encounter a transwoman I treat them the way I would any other male, as a potential threat, that's especially the case if they happen to be in a space where I am especially vulnerable i.e. single sex spaces. My feeling is that if these were genuinely good people then they would know how threatening many women find males in such spaces and would stay out. The fact that they choose to prioritise their own gratification over actual women's safety, dignity and rights marks them out as a wrong'un.

Just a reminder since the word ‘cis’ has been used.

The term 'cis' is meaningless because the term includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes that has any degree of sensitivity to any of the testosterone that body produces.

Using this word, cis, then means there is no word left for female people.

Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’ . When ^^ female means only a person of the sex category where that person's body has been formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether the body does, has or ever will produce those large gametes. ie that requires the presence of ovaries or ovarian tissue - never testes. This has also recently been the basis of the new IOC policy too,

(from the IOC policy:

This is under the definitions section:
Sex: Either of the two categories, Male or Female, into which humans are divided according to their reproductive biology.
Biological Female (Female): An individual who, regardless of their legal sex or gender identity, experienced female sex development usually based on their XX-chromosomes, ovaries, and estrogenic hormones.

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/International-Olympic-Committee/EB/policy/policy-on-the-protection-of-the-female-category-english.pdf )

In fact, we now have examples of many male people declaring that they are female people. So even the word for female has become meaningless in that sense.

But 'cis' is a* *word that was repurposed from its original usage and is meaningless for the purpose of discussing female people in its current usage. It has been used in academic papers as well in an attempt at using inclusive language which then renders the papers meaningless because the term is not describing a unique grouping of human bodies, even when it claims to be doing just that.

To see how this works, we have been told that 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.
2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.
3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.
These terms mean:

Cis
= (1) Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **
and
= (3) Any person who has a female body^^
Trans
= (2) Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

Therefore there is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is meaningless as a unique description for female people and it always was. It is also misogynistic because it leaves female people with no unique word for their needs.

There’s no such thing as cis gender

the census data on "trans ppl" is completely flawed because thanks to ONS having a TW in a high position, the question about gender was completely useless - see article by dr Michael Biggs https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00380385241240441

What this question really asks is: 'shouldn't women just shut up and put up with the guy who is in their changing room/prison/rape service space/wants to strip search them/wants to provide intimate care because he's probably just one of the ok ones?' It sounds a bit code for 'you're just prejudiced and pearl clutchy', which is a bit odd to come and post on a womens rights forum where you would expect the focus to be the needs of women, or to not have read the many, many threads on the front page that discuss the issues for women in depth if this information is of interest to you?

What would you like to do with the women who cannot and don't want to pretend that a man is a woman for his benefit?

How many men in a rape crisis service or refuge - behaving appropriately or not- does it take to make an impact on all the women currently using it or would consider using it? Do those women matter too? Are you aware of the barriers that any man, however safe and lovely, present to some women in situations where they are vulnerable or in a state of undress?

According to the law (the actual law, not the guidance Downing Street are sitting on which makes no odds anyway) these men should have a gender neutral space or facility provided alongside the one for their sex so that they have an alternative to using their sex based provision, respecting their identity. Women who have no issue with sharing spaces with men are equally free to go and use this mixed sex provision at will. This leaves everyone with accessible provision, including the women who cannot or choose not to share a space with men, and provides equality of access and respect. Is this ok with you?

This is not ok for transactivists -which is not the same group as all men who identify with trans identities - because they wish women to have no alternative but to provide themselves to men in intimate and vulnerable situations regardless of how those women feel or identify or need, or to lose any resource or access at all in punishment. Is this ok with you?

What would you like to get out of this thread?

Thats not really true though is it? They are males who demand women give up their hard won sex based rights so they can gain gratification and validation from accessing women's spaces, sports and representation. They want to be able to compel others to participate in their delusion to the point that women who didn't lost their jobs, were threatened and at times actually assaulted. Even many of these who are themselves non violent still support those who populate the pages of TERF is a slur | Documenting the abuse, harassment and misogyny of transgender identity politics

They aren't a group of poor misunderstood women, they are bullying and demanding males who care very little for actual women.

transwomen are not a homogeneous type. Some are perfectly normal and some are clearly mentally unwell. I would avoid any male who was mentally unwell no matter what they are wearing

What’s the difference, to you, when you’re ‘querying’ your ‘statistics’ between a fake woman and a real man? What makes them different apart from the frock?