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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Grace Campbell - Alastair Campbell

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BlueLegume · 17/04/2026 18:24

If I have missed any threads already started about this then apologies.

I am literally lost for words on the post she added to her podcast along with Charlie Craggs.

My own daughter has been lost to this cause. I am hoping I get her back. How utterly vile can a young woman be - Grace Campbell - towards women who have worked so hard to give her such privilege. I might be ugly and a freak Grace with awful hair. But I am not a mean girl.

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ArabellaScott · Yesterday 14:49

I have an app that can tell him where he can piss.

Datun · Yesterday 14:49

Lottapianos · Yesterday 14:44

'But nope just a pair of star struck halfwits giggling with a bloke who thinks we have 'weoponised' trans issues'

I just watched the first 5 mins and honestly can't face any more, but 'star struck halfwits' is such a perfect description of how AC and RS are coming across. God, they're so embarrassing 🤦🏻‍♂️

I really hope JKR takes a look, and comes up with something devastating

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 14:50

These men are permanently pissing on women and telling us its raining.

ScrollingLeaves · Yesterday 14:55

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 14:30

Anyway, he goes on:

'They banned me trans people from restrooms from restrooms in Congress. In Congress, just on that because in their eyes, you're at this stage neither a man nor a woman. What, What's the I should go to the men's room. I do have a private restroom in my office a ways away from the capital. Right.

In the capital, the only public restrooms that are available are multi-stall gender specific restrooms.Unless you have a private office and I'm not senior enough to have a private office in the capital. The concept of the are these the Trump Republicans who've passed this or Yes. Yeah. I came in and their concept is that you're a man and you should use the male restroom despite the fact you are a woman and you dress like a woman and all this kind of stuff. If you going to I would cause a lot of much more disruption in the men's restroom than I would in in the women's restroom, which I use without incident for my entire adult life. But they have banned me.

There was an incident in February of last year where a MAGA member of Congress named Lauren Boowbert went into the women's restroom right off the floor of the House of Representatives and she saw a freshman Democrat with shoulderlength hair and glasses in the restroom and she started to harass her
and started to scream at her, "You don't belong in here."

(Rory Stewart: Thinking it was you.)

McBride: Well, the freshman Democrat was bewildered, continued to go about her business. Lauren Boowbert went on to the floor of the House of Representatives to secure the backup of Congress's top bathroom sheriff, a woman named Nancy Mace. They come off the floor of the House of Representatives, march into the bathroom, and sheepishly walk out a couple of minutes later, realizing indeed that this freshman Democrat with shoulder length hair was not me. The people who are most often victims of gender policing in restrooms are nontransgender women who are non-gender conforming. Women who have short hair, women who are taller, women who have a more muscular build, women who don't wear makeup, women who dress in a more gender non-conforming way. Those are typically the victims of gender policing. And so we just have to grapple with this diversity and and maybe just allow one another to live and express.

And if someone does something wrong in the restroom, punish them for that behavior.'

Ah! It seems the message is that, if you don’t think a trans woman (male) should be in the ladies’ toilets, then you must be MAGA sympathising, Iran bombing, inhumane, idiot.

Datun · Yesterday 14:55

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 14:50

These men are permanently pissing on women and telling us its raining.

You expect it from TRAs like McBride, because it's their entire raison d'etre.

They have very, very personal, and for lots of them highly dodgy reasons behind it all.

It's when other people fall it so willingly that it become frustrating.

You realise that their reasons are that women don't count. It doesn't matter about the facts, the logic, the stats, or probably even the fetish.

Women don't count, so they don't fucking care.

ScrollingLeaves · Yesterday 14:58

The people who are most often victims of gender policing in restrooms are nontransgender women who are non-gender conforming. Women who have short hair, women who are taller, women who have a more muscular build, women who don't wear makeup, women who dress in a more gender non-conforming way. Those are typically the victims of gender policing. And so we just have to grapple with this diversity and and maybe just allow one another to live and express.

He has just virtually said that women who are like this are the equivalent of him. (He is a male with long hair and a dress.)

lifeinthelastlane · Yesterday 16:01

It seems to me that the reason those women thought the woman in the toilet might be a man is because of the men who insist they have the right to use the women's toilet.

SqueakyDinosaur · Yesterday 16:02

ScrollingLeaves · Yesterday 14:58

The people who are most often victims of gender policing in restrooms are nontransgender women who are non-gender conforming. Women who have short hair, women who are taller, women who have a more muscular build, women who don't wear makeup, women who dress in a more gender non-conforming way. Those are typically the victims of gender policing. And so we just have to grapple with this diversity and and maybe just allow one another to live and express.

He has just virtually said that women who are like this are the equivalent of him. (He is a male with long hair and a dress.)

Also, how does he know? Has he done a survey or something?

ParmaVioletTea · Yesterday 16:04

I think both Campbell and Stewart would argue that they are just upholding the belief that society should support 'the most vulnerable/marginalised'.

This is what many people say. But they don't stop to think about:

  • 2.5 on average women killed each week, by partners/ex-partners/family - simply for being female
  • High and persistent levels of poverty amongst women, particularly single mothers & elderly women
  • Persistent salary sex gap of 10- 15%
  • Rape conviction rates of around 5% (or is it lower?)
  • More Company Directors called "John" than all women (or something like that ..)
And these are things which affect 50% of the population. So who's really marginalised?
SqueakyDinosaur · Yesterday 16:08

Pffft. Who needs to think for themselves when they've got dear little Gracie to tell them how and what to think?

MrsOvertonsWindow · Yesterday 16:12

ParmaVioletTea · Yesterday 16:04

I think both Campbell and Stewart would argue that they are just upholding the belief that society should support 'the most vulnerable/marginalised'.

This is what many people say. But they don't stop to think about:

  • 2.5 on average women killed each week, by partners/ex-partners/family - simply for being female
  • High and persistent levels of poverty amongst women, particularly single mothers & elderly women
  • Persistent salary sex gap of 10- 15%
  • Rape conviction rates of around 5% (or is it lower?)
  • More Company Directors called "John" than all women (or something like that ..)
And these are things which affect 50% of the population. So who's really marginalised?

Yes - they ignore the immense power that these men have in society. They've been able to remove the language pertaining to women from public life, beclown endless politicians who spout nonsense about women having a penis, terrify the population into pandering to their demands and police their language, all the while ignoring the presence of an embarrassing number of convicted sex offenders, paedophiles and fetishists who have hitched their wagon to the trans cause.
And don't get me started on what they've done to the young who are the genuinely vulnerable ones and victims of all this.

Yet still these "star struck halfwits" insist on promoting the demands of these men while mooing about unkind women.

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 16:15

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 14:26

Here is McBride on toilets:

'Discomfort alone is not grounds to exclude people.

If it were, then we'd have a long list of people who feel uncomfortable with other kinds of people in spaces where they feel a little bit more vulnerable, right? Everyone feels a little bit vulnerable in a restroom. But discomfort alone cannot be grounds to exclude people. And at the end of the day, trans people exist. Trans people exist. And so the question is, even if you have academic or intellectual disagreements about gender identity and sex and and even if you have questions or concerns, at the end of the day, we have to decide how do we treat people who exist, how do we guarantee that they too can fully participate in life?

Because the reality is bathrooms have actually been at the center of every single battle for civil and human rights. Certainly in our country, probably in your country, in part because if you can't use restrooms with ease and safety, then it becomes very difficult to leave your home, to go to work, to get goods and services. It becomes very difficult to participate in public life.

And so, trans people are here. There might be some people who are uncomfortable if they know when I'm in a restroom, but there also who are women. And there also might be men who would be uncomfortable if I was in the restroom with them as well. There's going to be discomfort for some people. The question is, does that mean that we essentially create an environment where trans people can't use one restroom and quite frankly are put at very legitimate risk of not only being outed because if you're a trans person in a men's restroom, it pretty much outs you a trans woman in a men's restroom, it pretty much outs you.

But it can also put you as well at very legitimate real risk of assault. And we actually know that that happens. And then finally, stepping back, do we want
an environment where we are playing gender police with restrooms?'

This is just an argument for all toilets to be mixed sex.

Does he mention any other arguments for toilets to be single sex?

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 16:21

The people who are most often victims of gender policing in restrooms are nontransgender women who are non-gender conforming.

There is nothing new about women being gender non-conforming. Most women are gender non-conforming by the standards of 50 years ago - at least in the UK. Mistakes are awkward but easily sorted out.

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 16:32

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 13:21

I suggest that such fawning behaviour is acting as a cover for feelings that may be going in the opposite direction - and which one thinks are socially unacceptable. An over-compensation.

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I suggest they were going out of their normal way to disguise the cognitive dissonance of being presented with a man who is claiming to be female - when their senses tell them this is a male person. How are they supposed to behave? How do they disguise their true feelings or consciousness?

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 16:56

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 16:15

This is just an argument for all toilets to be mixed sex.

Does he mention any other arguments for toilets to be single sex?

Not in the bit I listened to. If they'd come out in favour of mixed sex, that's at least honest, even if it makes things shitter for women. But generally it's an attempt to wheedle their way into women's spaces.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · Yesterday 17:15

I think we'd rather all just know that everyone in a single sex space is of the sex that doesn't commit indecent exposure, rape or violently attack women on a regular basis. Even if they have a mild beard and there's a bit of initial confusion.

Safety over very minor social awkwardness every day. Especially when it comes to my daughters.

Of course we wouldn't need to ask if predatory, boundary violating men hadn't invaded spaces labelled as single sex in the first place.

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 17:17

https://x.com/TwisterFilm/status/1890230645898830324

Malcolm Clarke has written on McBride before:

'The new trans identified Congressman claims it's Republicans like @NancyMace
who are "obsessed with bathrooms" but in my latest article I trace McBride's long track record of invading women's spaces. And attacking free speech.

In 2016 McBride revealed his obsession with women's bathrooms by photographing himself in one. As Press Secretary of the corrupt, ex-gay group @HRC
he argued the struggle over bathrooms had been a feature of every civil rights struggle (uhh?) and was "a political priority".

So obsessed with bathrooms was McBride that after HRC failed to stop a 'Bathroom Bill' in North Carolina protecting women's spaces, @HRC
mounted a revenge campaign to ensure its Governor was not re-elected. "If you come for us we're going to come for you", warned McBride.

Invading women's restrooms was such a complusion for McBride in a 2018 Google seminar he admitted HRC killed a non-discrimination bill in Philadelphia that protected gay and trans people from employment discrimination just because it had an exemption for women's restrooms.

McBride also admitted HRC tried to silence any scientists or researchers who opposed his extreme trans agenda. For example, after @profjmb
wrote a book about autogynephilia (a sexual fetish McBride seems to suffer from) HRC went behind his back to try to get him fired.

McBride and his family's intimate links with the deeply corrupt Biden circle in Delaware ensured he grabbed a top job at @HRC
. He started there in June 2016. A month later he became the first trans person to speak at a mainstream party Convention.
Da nah!!

At @HRC
McBride championed new laws in Delaware including one that insisted girls' changing rooms and restrooms were opened to males. Regulation 225 also prevented schools informing parents if their child self-identified as "transgender". McBride said this was "life-saving".

It proved so controversial it was withdrawn. But when McBride became a Senator in the Delaware Assembly his status as a close friend of the Bidens meant he was given a key role in shaping new laws for Delaware. One of them aimed to police social media "misinformation".'

womendeserveequalhumanrights · Yesterday 17:18

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 16:56

Not in the bit I listened to. If they'd come out in favour of mixed sex, that's at least honest, even if it makes things shitter for women. But generally it's an attempt to wheedle their way into women's spaces.

As you know, they don't want mixed sex. There are plenty of mixed sex toilets already if you include the accessible ones (and yes, if they use these it makes it shitter for disabled people and I'm not advocating this, just pointing out there ARE mixed sex toilets already).

They want access to unconsenting women. That's what they want.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · Yesterday 17:21

Wasn't McBride the man who had access to 3 toilets in his place of work without using the women's? His own personal one ensuite to his office, the mens and 'gender neutral' ones.

Rather proving my previous point.

It's the unconsenting women that are seen as a resource for men rather than human beings in their own right. The religious women whose religion prohibits them participating in public life if there are no truly single sex bathrooms, the women who have trauma from male violence, the women who want the sign on the toilet to not be a pack of abusive lies, lots of women who will all be excluded if any man, whatever he wears or his inner feelings, is in there ever.

Apologies if I've got the wrong boundary violating trans identified male. There are so many it's difficult to keep up.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 17:43

Cheesipuff · Yesterday 13:52

Both AC and RS chickened out of any discussion of trans - there was the usual type of ‘difficult problem’ ‘both sides need support’ bullshit bullshit waffle waffle,AC takes his views from his super privileged DD and RS from his super privileged DW
(thank God for Piers Morgan - struggle to say that but he stands firm)
the podcast has had 2 democrats on their show , one trans -have to say there will be another rebpublican gov if this is the best the the Democrats can produce.
I pay monthly to support the For Women Scotland campaign group and I’m very proud of what they have achieved. Sniping by snotty X comments is not worthy of their attention.

Yes, I think trans made a big contribution to Trump's victory and the Republicans didn't even have to spin it. They just had to run clips of Kamala Harris saying the state would pay for prisoners to have sex change ops.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 17:51

ScrollingLeaves · Yesterday 14:55

Ah! It seems the message is that, if you don’t think a trans woman (male) should be in the ladies’ toilets, then you must be MAGA sympathising, Iran bombing, inhumane, idiot.

A lot of this stuff is coming from America. The language is all 'restrooms', 'bathrooms', 'washrooms'. In the UK we have toilets or loos.

BettyBooper · Yesterday 18:04

OMG. The ratio of his 'watch the Sarah McBride' tweet is glorious!

1.7 MILLION views.

680 likes.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

SionnachRuadh · Yesterday 18:51

Nancy Mace is not to everyone's taste politically, but she's been sharp on genderwoo and women's safety.

She's also got a very interesting background, coming from a military family, being the first woman to graduate from the Citadel (she wrote a book about her experiences in the military), and I think would be a great podcast guest for anyone who wants to get past soundbites and get her into a longer form conversation.

I find it hard to imagine Campbell and Stewart having Nancy Mace on their podcast. They sometimes have women on, but I think invariably women who fit their usual guest profile of high-status Sensibles. I doubt they'd have the appetite for a conversation with a populist Republican woman. And they certainly wouldn't fawn over her like they did with Tim McBride.

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 19:03

I went back to have another look at the McBride YouTube, but its been set to 'members only '. People actually pay to listen to these twerp?!

Thingybob · Yesterday 19:11

BettyBooper · Yesterday 18:04

OMG. The ratio of his 'watch the Sarah McBride' tweet is glorious!

1.7 MILLION views.

680 likes.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I can imagine the conversation around the Campbell dinner table.

"Grace, shall I have the FWS ladies on my podcast"

"Noooo Daddy, never, not those ugly, ugly, bigoted freaks"

"But people are interested. 1.7 million may watch then I can buy you another horse and send you to LA"

"Get their number "