Grace Campbell - Alastair Campbell

[BlueLegume]

If I have missed any threads already started about this then apologies.

I am literally lost for words on the post she added to her podcast along with Charlie Craggs.

My own daughter has been lost to this cause. I am hoping I get her back. How utterly vile can a young woman be - Grace Campbell - towards women who have worked so hard to give her such privilege. I might be ugly and a freak Grace with awful hair. But I am not a mean girl.

‘Trans’ indicates trans. No one needs to indicate they are not trans.

Anyway, to get back to the thread...it is in some ways a paradigm of trans ideology. A rude male; a female struggling to find her place in life; and a whole dose of utter self-absorption.

She is appalling the epitome of middle class wealth and privilege. Her little group of women like Jonathan Ross’s daughters are so immersed in wealth and connections they have no concept of what it’s like to be a vulnerable woman. They play at life because they have connections and will never have to work or take any kind of risk. They can betray women because they have and will never have to be alone and trying to manage as a woman with no support.

It's...just a word. An adjective isn't violence. It's simply the opposite of trans, and therefore a useful term.

It's about trust. No one can trust a parent who rejects them - it is abusive and cruel.

Coming out is a very scary moment for trans children. They are very scared and nervous - and rejection is devastating. So they stay away. It's up to the parent to prove they can be trusted again.

It's really no big deal to have a trans child. They remain exactly the same person, you just know them better. Accepting and loving them isn't 'blackmail' - it's the right, and normal, thing to do.

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@TransParentlyAnnoyed I was not expressing how I feel simply stating a fact about the thread.

Man or woman is fine I am not confused by these terms. Trans is not real. It is a feeling. Cis is a recent phenomenon and unnecessary in language.

Not sure what relevance you being awake all night has to the thread.

What are you hoping for in terms of things improving for me?

I started the thread because a privileged woman was mocking fellow woman for fighting for their rights for single sex spaces. My daughter has been captured but solely under the ‘be kind’ mantra which in my opinion has been weaponised.

Gosh your “voice” sounds just like the PP on the Melle thread who invented a job with autistic people and sounded equally insistent and as confused whilst de-railing that thread too…

But you have absolutely nailed it inadvertently with this comment:

a trans man remains a trans man whatever he wears. Same as a trans woman remains a trans woman whatever she wears.

yes biological sex does indeed prevail whatever a person’s identity

I was just trying to be kind, and share my own experiences.

Trans people exist, and saying they don't is as pointless as getting angry at the sunrise.

Since being transphobic is clearly more important to you than your own child, I'll go get some sleep.

Dear god. Have fun wasting your life hating a minority.

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Exactly, those clips are cringeworthy. Sums up the whole trans activism thing.
Man dressed up as a woman cackling about actual women because he knows he'll never be one even with a wig on while his simpering ally seal claps.

Well done the pair of you, your proven yet again how deluded you all are.

As an aside making tits of themselves about JKR suggesting she 'opens refuges or something' .

'My use of cis is fairly common. It just means 'not trans' - and helps avoid confusion.'

Common only by activists and their allies. I'm a woman, not cis anything. Trans people are trans.

Indeed

Supporting dc can of course be challenging. It is our job obviously to accept them as they are but also to be truthful and stop any delusions.

So, for example 'if you want to dress as a girl that is fine but it doesn't make you a girl and you cannot use girls facilties'. That is not hate it is fact.

It should be simple but here we are.

Some parents cannot bring themselves to tell their children the truth, unfortunately. So they write cheques they expect the rest of us to pay.

What makes your son male rather than female?

The OP has objected to the derail of the thread she started to discuss a particular matter. I apologise to her for my part in that. I intend to make this my last contribution to the derail.

Though our son may have persuaded himself that we have rejected him, that is categorically and demonstrably untrue. I'm not going to tell the whole story here, but your repeated assumptions are wrong and highly offensive. I don't claim to have handled the situation well – it does tend to come out of the blue, before parents have any understanding of what the hell has happened. I have read and listened extensively to trans people, and had lengthy discussions with those who are prepared to explain how they see sex and gender. Unfortunately my previously fairly open son has closed up completely and has been unable or unwilling to express how he is thinking, so I don't know in what ways we have offended him, other than obviously being bigots because we have struggled to cope with his sudden conversion to a controlling secular religion.

We will not say "whatever you like dear" when he mentions oestrogen. We had the "bigotry" to gently suggest that he apply his former scepticism and be cautious. He has rejected us, apparently for not being enthusiastic enough about his new-found faith in gender identity. You would have us convert, despite being able to see the damage this intolerant authoritarian ideology is doing.

Yip. Vacillates between preachy self righteous moralising as trite as a sequined 'live laugh love be your true inner Piscean self and follow what is truly in your HEART' cushion? and nasty, vicious, cruel ad homs.

Brittle.

It's a useful demonstration of the dumbness, the silliness, the nastiness, the paucity of awareness and self awareness, but most of all of the seething, vicious misogyny of genderism.

Grace Campbell. The views you bray are nothing more than those of a handmaiden for men who think they are more important, more special, more entitled, more hard done by than born women. You have stooped to the gutter in criticising the looks, clothes and hair of women who have views you disagree with. This is the antithesis of feminism. Shame on you.

The bloke on it just absolutely nailing the delusions and misogyny. We're all ugly with terrible hair. Men identifying as women seem to think it's all about having a nice bouffant and lippy on like a 50s housewife.

They have not got a fucking clue. To film and post it obviously with not one doubt that they made absolute fools of themselves and their ideology.

A massive own goal. Round of applause from us 'ugly' women on mn .

I agree although I find it interesting that Jonathan Ross hasn’t outsourced his thinking on this to his children, like AC and so many others have.

Stop using cis. If I were you, I’d look up who coined that term as relates to gender and ask myself “do I really want to be aligned with those people”. Good thing about being an ex trans ally, I did ALL my research.

Golly Gosh.

Interruptions and diversions on a thread discussing the appalling way the daughter of a spin doctor discussed feminist campaigners. Astonishing.