Younger generations being pro trans

[PeachyDaisy]

I know many are saying the trans debate is over, but I think it has only just begun. And the reason is the younger generation. Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.

Also most of the western world has fallen to trans ideology (which activists will use as credibility for their ideology). I don't buy the argument that as long as it is just in EU/Australia/CA/ NZ then it is contained.

Having the laws on our side and sex matters fighting is great, but it feels like little consolation if we have to spend the next 50 years constantly in a court room suing organisations as they continue to to flaunt the law. It is like wack a mole, you stop one stop one organisation from doing it whilst another one pops up.

How can they be far right when transphobia is ideology from the far right? The entire anti trans movement is funded by far right groups and money.

Any source for that as last time a poll was done it was Millenials in their late thirties and early forties who still consume the media from the former author. However the younger generations call it cringey, bigoted etc. So I would love to see a source backing your claims that “young people love it”

I’d like to see the source that the “younger generations call it cringey, bigoted etc” which is a fairly sweeping statement @MashaPav

Wasn’t Hogwarts Legacy a bestseller in gaming?

LOL. Source: my experience in fandom.

And what poll are you referring to, exactly?

Yup. And that was despite calls to boycott it.

Firstly bullshit, but secondly TRAs are basically the same as Incels (Trancels).

They hate women, refuse to listen to them, don't respect their boundaries, don't care about their consent.

Whether that's far right or far left, it's kind of all the same. Horseshoe theory in action.

Tut tut, you know that whole sources and evidence thing only works one way right??

Knocked CoD off the no1 spot when it came out and is the 19th best selling game of all time. Even my sometimes trans Identifying daughter bought it, loved it and insisted her dad and I come and play it - or at least watch her playing it! [Yawn, just what is that all about?]

But yeah, ‘cringey’. Not.

The 14 year olds round here all adore HP. Do you actually know any young people Mashy? Trans is old hat and an attention seeking cringe, apparently.

Edited for clarity

As an older Gen Z, I think fandom culture is maybe more likely to involve higher numbers of very online people- and therefore possibly more likely to be more pro trans than average.

To be fair quite a few Reform members and Tories seem to oppose a ban too on the grounds that it's a decision for parents not the government.

“Former author”?

🤣

I’d love to be a former author with 20million book sales worldwide in my new adult crime series. Admittedly not as many as the 600m book sales (and still selling) children’s series, but more than award winning, much serialised Val McDermid.

'Those long haired, liberal 60s kids are now the Brexit / Reform generation.'

• to be fair, the 60s and 70s did bring reforms to race, sex equality and gay rights which have mostly stuck. But I agree that economically things shifted.

Yes, I think that’s probably true.

To go back to the original question, I think there’s a possible wild card situation which may unfold.

My daughter’s (extended) friendship group, as a young lesbian, includes some very vulnerable FtM lesbians, who have been convinced that being a straight male is better. At the moment, they remain in young lesbian circles, where they have a strong influence over their friends. They are genuinely vulnerable and I suspect they invoke protective instincts.

At some point, if and when they start to realise they were never men, but were sold a damaging lie, which has negative health impacts, then the whole group may start to wake up and realise that they are not “men finding their true selves” but women who have been cheated.

I can see why the young lesbians would not want to believe what I believe, which is that their friends have been mutilated in an unevidenced experiment that should never have been allowed to happen and is causing great harm to both the patient and society.

The 'whole western world'?

Is the whole of Europe like this? Even more socially conservative countries like Italy, Poland etc?

I hadn't been keeping up much with the debate in Europe but had assumed things were getting less extreme over there, and that they'd taken notice of the evidence of harm via puberty blockers and AGP.

Is that not true, then?

PeachyDaisy identifies a GC feminist but usually posts about how one gender critical win or another is ultimately doomed. This time it's demographics, other reasons for despair have included that the women's rights enshrined in the EA are all just too hard to provide in practice.

PD is very prone to despairing and giving up and letting TW have what they want. It is odd for such a self described GC poster, for sure.

Yes, I mentally file PD's posts under 'not GC'.

The word 'whole' might be too much of a generalization. It is more appropriate to say, most of the western world allow men in women's spaces. England are really leaders in fighting this movement

PD is very prone to despairing and giving up and letting TW have what they want. It is odd for such a self described GC poster, for sure.

Where have I ever said we should give up or let TW into women's spaces? Putting words in someone's mouth is just plain rude (and uncalled for)

My attitude is that much of the western world has fallen to this ideology and its going to take decades to rollback (in my home country of Australia, I'm not sure it will be in my lifetime). Call it pessimism if you like, to me it is just realism. We have a long, long, long way to go before we eradicate this ideology.