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Younger generations being pro trans

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PeachyDaisy · 10/04/2026 05:22

I know many are saying the trans debate is over, but I think it has only just begun. And the reason is the younger generation. Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.

Also most of the western world has fallen to trans ideology (which activists will use as credibility for their ideology). I don't buy the argument that as long as it is just in EU/Australia/CA/ NZ then it is contained.

Having the laws on our side and sex matters fighting is great, but it feels like little consolation if we have to spend the next 50 years constantly in a court room suing organisations as they continue to to flaunt the law. It is like wack a mole, you stop one stop one organisation from doing it whilst another one pops up.

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AimsAndObjectives · 03/08/2026 16:43

@PeachyDaisy Crikey. How many edits are you going to do?

Lazylucy · 03/08/2026 16:45

Interestingly
I have 4 adult DC
Two went to state schools
Two were educated at home
Guess which two think trans rights are a priority,and which two are very left in thinking
And which two are middle of the road ,but don't think much of trans rights ,and certainly don't think they are a priority.
We send our DC to schools ... thinking they are just getting an education..
They were ..an education in left thinking and trans rights

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 16:48

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You were flat out rude by saying I wasn't gender critical. Stop with the petty gatekeeping. You don't know me so don't pretend you do.

Stop talking shit about me and I won't talk shit about you.

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AimsAndObjectives · 03/08/2026 16:55

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 16:48

You were flat out rude by saying I wasn't gender critical. Stop with the petty gatekeeping. You don't know me so don't pretend you do.

Stop talking shit about me and I won't talk shit about you.

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Me: Yes, I mentally file PD's posts under 'not GC'.
You: Bitch I don't need your support. You can get fucked for all i care.

These two things are not the same.

Feel free to talk shit about me all you like. I have zero respect for your opinion about me.

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 17:05

AimsAndObjectives · 03/08/2026 16:55

Me: Yes, I mentally file PD's posts under 'not GC'.
You: Bitch I don't need your support. You can get fucked for all i care.

These two things are not the same.

Feel free to talk shit about me all you like. I have zero respect for your opinion about me.

My initial response was harsh, which is why I deleted it instantly. I was offended and wrote something I shouldn't. Fro that I am sorry.

But you did start it by attacking me and claiming I wasn't gender critical. I never said anything about you before you posted that rude post.

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 17:05

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 16:34

PD is very prone to despairing and giving up and letting TW have what they want. It is odd for such a self described GC poster, for sure.

Where have I ever said we should give up or let TW into women's spaces? Putting words in someone's mouth is just plain rude (and uncalled for)

My attitude is that much of the western world has fallen to this ideology and its going to take decades to rollback (in my home country of Australia, I'm not sure it will be in my lifetime). Call it pessimism if you like, to me it is just realism. We have a long, long, long way to go before we eradicate this ideology.

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Thank you, it is really great to hear you aren't giving up ❤

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 17:07

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 17:05

Thank you, it is really great to hear you aren't giving up ❤

Can you do me a favour and stop accusing other gender critical women of being weak and 'giving up' especially when you have no idea who they are or what they believe in. It is quite a rude thing to say about someone. I've never done it to you.

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AimsAndObjectives · 03/08/2026 17:15

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PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 17:22

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I'm done talking to you. Please don't address me ever again and I will never address you (unfortunately there is no way we can just block each other)

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RedToothBrush · 03/08/2026 17:23

MashaPav · 03/08/2026 14:14

How can they be far right when transphobia is ideology from the far right? The entire anti trans movement is funded by far right groups and money.

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Good job we aren't anti-trans here.

We are pro-women's rights.
Complete with plenty of lefties. As well as a few centrist and slightly righties.

spannasaurus · 03/08/2026 17:25

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Such a lovely and uncombative thing for Peachy to say

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 17:25

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 17:07

Can you do me a favour and stop accusing other gender critical women of being weak and 'giving up' especially when you have no idea who they are or what they believe in. It is quite a rude thing to say about someone. I've never done it to you.

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You are right, I can only go by what you post here.

It was the incongruity of certain posts that made me notice them. It was only after a few I realised they tended to be the same person.

So it's great to hear you aren't giving up. That you do genuinely believe this madness can be rolled back and are continuing to fight even if it will take longer than any of us would wish. I'm very happy to have been wrong.

AimsAndObjectives · 03/08/2026 17:28

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PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 17:29

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 17:25

You are right, I can only go by what you post here.

It was the incongruity of certain posts that made me notice them. It was only after a few I realised they tended to be the same person.

So it's great to hear you aren't giving up. That you do genuinely believe this madness can be rolled back and are continuing to fight even if it will take longer than any of us would wish. I'm very happy to have been wrong.

Maybe stop assuming you know what people think and actually ask. The false assumptions and beliefs you attributed to me were hurtful and really offended me. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I said you had given up the fight and wanted to let men into women's spaces.

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 17:43

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 17:29

Maybe stop assuming you know what people think and actually ask. The false assumptions and beliefs you attributed to me were hurtful and really offended me. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I said you had given up the fight and wanted to let men into women's spaces.

Homestly I think I would mostly be really confused given I think it would be very hard for you to draw that conclusion from my posts! So if you were to say it I think my first reaction would actually be to ask why rather than ne upset or angry.

But you are upset and angry, and I respect that is how you feel. As I said, in this case I'm very happy to have been wrong.

anyolddinosaur · 03/08/2026 17:49

@PeachyDaisy If you live in Australia I can understand why you are depressed.

In the uk operation "let them speak" has been very effective. Young people's attitudes to trans ideology have become less permissive (source opinion polls) over the years. Now it's easier to challenge in schools it should get even better.

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 17:50

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 17:43

Homestly I think I would mostly be really confused given I think it would be very hard for you to draw that conclusion from my posts! So if you were to say it I think my first reaction would actually be to ask why rather than ne upset or angry.

But you are upset and angry, and I respect that is how you feel. As I said, in this case I'm very happy to have been wrong.

I was confused and offended, you can be both. Unfortunately I do see a lot of people on here gatekeeping and purity testing, accusing each other of secretly being a TRA or not being gender critical enough. It's unpleasant and tiresome.

Thank you acknowledging, hopefully this doesn't happen again.

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 18:14

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 17:50

I was confused and offended, you can be both. Unfortunately I do see a lot of people on here gatekeeping and purity testing, accusing each other of secretly being a TRA or not being gender critical enough. It's unpleasant and tiresome.

Thank you acknowledging, hopefully this doesn't happen again.

I understand. Especially since it has happened to you before that your posts have been taken to be promoting/supporting Genderism. That must be frustrating.

I can't promise I won't ever disagree with you or not say when I think you are being surprisingly unenthusiastic about the likelihood of rolling back Genderist overreach, but I can promise going forward I will be informed by the additional context you have given me about your perspective and why you may seem to sound pessimistic.

LilyMumsnet · 03/08/2026 18:15

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PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 18:21

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 18:14

I understand. Especially since it has happened to you before that your posts have been taken to be promoting/supporting Genderism. That must be frustrating.

I can't promise I won't ever disagree with you or not say when I think you are being surprisingly unenthusiastic about the likelihood of rolling back Genderist overreach, but I can promise going forward I will be informed by the additional context you have given me about your perspective and why you may seem to sound pessimistic.

Just don't accuse me of "giving up" on the fight or claim that I have said I want men in women's spaces. Just don't lie about me or the things I have said, that is all I ask. I don't like people lying and saying I said things I never said. It makes me very annoyed (as you saw).

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Helleofabore · 03/08/2026 18:23

As an Australian, I am confident that it will be rolled back in my lifetime, because it is completely unsustainable, undefinable and the government has over reached itself. It might take time, but the momentum is building. I watched the same momentum build here in the UK.

Helleofabore · 03/08/2026 18:30

HEPI "A BREED APART? WHAT DO YOUNG UNDERGRADUATES THINK OF CONTROVERSIAL AND DIVISIVE ISSUES?"

https://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/A-breed-apart-What-do-young-undergraduates-think-of-controversial-and-divisive-issues.pdf

https://www.hepi.ac.uk/reports/a-breed-apart-what-do-young-undergraduates-think-of-controversial-and-divisive-issues/

The data:
https://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/A-breed-apart-polling-data.xlsx

p6: Transwomen and transmen
The questions were:

Q6. Do you think that biological males who identify as women should be allowed to use women’s changing rooms?
Question 6: the responses were:
Yes: 31% (male 26%) (female 33%) (16-19 - 29%) (20-21 - 32%)
No: 55% (male 63%) (female 50%) (16-19 - 58%) (20-21 - 53%)
Don't know: 14% (male 11%) (female 17%) (16-19 - 13%) (20-21 - 15%)

Q7. Do you think that biological females who identify as men should be allowed to use men’s changing rooms?
Question 7: the responses were:
Yes: 34% (male 31%) (female 36%) (16-19 - 34%) (20-21 - 35%)
No: 52% (male 58%) (female 47%) (16-19 - 53%) (20-21 - 51%)
Don't know: 14% (male 11%) (female 17%) (16-19 - 13%) (20-21 - 14%)

Comment from the report:
When asked for their views on the changing-room facilities that transwomen and transmen should be expected to use, roughly one-third of students say people should use the changing room assigned to their gender identity while one-half disagree (presumably assuming they should use the facility assigned to their sex at birth or a gender-neutral space). Although we asked about transwomen and transmen separately, the results were similar for these two groups.

In contrast, a 2026 JL Partners poll for Sex Matters found just one-in-five (19%) adults think people ‘should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer’. In the same poll, over one-third of respondents said people ‘should use the facilities of their sex at birth’ (36%) and another third said ‘they should not use facilities of the opposite sex but there should be an alternative’ (34%).

These results suggest students may be a little more favourable than the public overall towards those who wish to use the changing facility for their gender rather than the one for their sex at birth – but it is notable that both a majority of students and a majority of the whole adult population pick other options.

Most of the answers from the 18-24 year old age group for the Sex Matters March 2026 research are not far off this.

The question was: A transgender person is someone who says they are the other sex, that is, a person born male who identifies as a woman, or a person born female who identifies as a man. How do you think transgender people should be accommodated in toilets…

They should be allowed to use whichever facilities they prefer (18-24 yr age group responded):
At work - 38%,
In gyms and leisure centres - 30%,
At university - 30%,
In a bar or entertainment venue - 33%,
In public toilets - 30%
In hospital - 30%

# They should not use facilities for the opposite sex but there should be an alternative (18-24 yr age group responded):
At work - 38%,
In gyms and leisure centres - 42%,
At university - 35%,
In a bar or entertainment venue - 32%,
In public toilets - 33%
In hospital - 32%

# They should use the facilities of their sex at birth (18-24 yr age group responded) :
At work - 18%,
In gyms and leisure centres - 21%,
At university - 23%,
In a bar or entertainment venue - 26%,
In public toilets - 28%
In hospital - 28%

Unsure. (18-24 yr age group responded) :
At work - 12%,
In gyms and leisure centres - 12%,
At university - 12%,
In a bar or entertainment venue - 12%,
In public toilets - 12%
In hospital - 11%

I think it is safe to say the majority don't believe that male people should be using female single sex spaces (over the age of about 8 years old, of course). It is a minority who believe this and each year that minority reduces more and more.

https://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/A-breed-apart-What-do-young-undergraduates-think-of-controversial-and-divisive-issues.pdf

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 18:31

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 18:21

Just don't accuse me of "giving up" on the fight or claim that I have said I want men in women's spaces. Just don't lie about me or the things I have said, that is all I ask. I don't like people lying and saying I said things I never said. It makes me very annoyed (as you saw).

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Ironically, I didn't say you "said I want men in women's spaces". That is your paraphrasing and actually misrepresents me.

So you see even for you it is easily done to misrepresent someone (I won't here go as far as you did and suggest a deliberate lie) trying to make your point.

But that's beside the point. I have apologised and I'll take this exchange into account when I see your more pessimistic posts, so more than happy to leave it here.

PeachyDaisy · 03/08/2026 20:07

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/08/2026 18:31

Ironically, I didn't say you "said I want men in women's spaces". That is your paraphrasing and actually misrepresents me.

So you see even for you it is easily done to misrepresent someone (I won't here go as far as you did and suggest a deliberate lie) trying to make your point.

But that's beside the point. I have apologised and I'll take this exchange into account when I see your more pessimistic posts, so more than happy to leave it here.

Your wrote:
"PD is very prone to despairing and giving up and letting TW have what they want."

Given that TW want to get into womens spaces then yes you are saying I am ok with letting TW into women's spaces (or that at least I am no longer objecting to it).

Again, it was an incredibly rude thing to say and just a downright lie as I have never said I was ok with TW in women's spaces. I'm only making a point of it because I'm tired of people lying about things I never said or making nasty accusations on some kind of purity testing witch hunt they have going on.

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