Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Yeah.... no. Seems like a reach. You know i never thought much about this stuff until I came on this site and now I think the people who speak up against trans people are likely to be irrational so I will just ignore what they have to say as totally unreliable now.

Right, @GlovedhandsCecilia so when I go into the female toilets I now need two magic sorting hats do I?

Hat 1 so I can identify which men in the female toilets are TW and which are not TW

Having done sift one, Magic Sorting Hat will then tell me which of the TW in the female toilets are actually gay men and I then proceed to let them look at me as I perform all the bodily functions I need to do.

What do I do if the Magic Sorting Hat tells me there are that there are TW (gay and heterosexual) and non TWmen, where’s a girl to put herself?

I had 2 TiM colleagues and thought they were lovely. We all did. Now, though, I see their behaviour was typical AGP and I’m embraced that my colleagues helped them with advice on hair and make up. We were you g, and kind and I bet those men still masturbate to the memories.

the were getting off on our acceptance. I’d not accept any TIM in my spaces now. I know better.

So I’m confused now. Are you saying women don’t need to fear that men will assault them? Ok. Is that all men or just those claiming womanhood?

It’s men. Not trans people, men. But you know that already so please stop with the faux naivety of “I didn’t know until I posted here”. You picked a side long before that.

you know the hysterical came about as women were seen as having a neurotic condition that came from their uterus.

your post is giving off Victorian ‘silly irrational women vibes’. How dare they think and make reasoned points of their own.

If all the men who identify as trans are lovely and decent human beings as @GlovedhandsCecilia asserts, they will recognise that human beings cannot change sex (even if they wish they could) and obey the law regarding the EA2010 and single sex spaces. They will use the correct spaces for their sex or unisex ones.

Shhhh we’re not supposed to know that. We’re supposed to believe these rational, measured posters are not rabid trans allies trying a different tactic. 😉😉😉

Yeah they probably don't masturbate the memories. Thats the type of silly thing that makes me shut you out again and wonder if the trans people are the ones I should be protecting against you.

I came here neutral, but not seeing TWAW, and then because of what you all have said, I'm leaving the site more in support of trans people. Just because of the way ive seen you all behave. Im not saying i see TWAW, but I think the risk of integration in single sex spaces isnt very high at all. Again, that's just because of the hysteria you guys spread here.

Who said you were hysterical? Do you feel hysterical?

So what risk to women is acceptable to you? How many women need to be assaulted in mixed sex spaces before you agree single sex spaces are necessary? Go on, just a number will do.

Woohoo. Good news everyone. Male violence has been fixed.

Trans men exist. I actually know 2. My son reminded me. I dont know any trans women. So whatever you say about trans women and their rights would also go for trans men.

Oops. Im post-menopausal, and if i didn't remove it I'd have quite the moustache (and i haven't shaved my underarms or legs for at least 25 years) Am I too hairy to be allowed in the loo with you @Steph2002 ?

Btw I think I'm probably a woman as i've given birth twice, but who knows? I often wear trousers and 'men's' shoes (they're much more comfy for my bunions)

Why should some male people be in female-only spaces?

I was sexually assaulted at work by my manager in an enclosed space. He had the perfect right to be in that enclosed space with me. Excuse me if I'm a bit paranoid and in need of psychiatric help but quite frankly, I think I have the perfect right to want to be away from men while I perform intimate tasks, or, for that matter, only expect to be with females. I have no idea if the man next to me is a nice bloke who will be respectful of me, or a man who thinks he can do whatever he wants.
So, I'll carry on being paranoid, thanks very much. Bitter experience has taught me well.

Female spaces are separate because men, as a group, pose a danger to women, as a group.

Transwomen are part of that group of men.

This is not at all the same as saying every man/trans woman individually presents a threat

“If you're worried about men then it's heterosexual men you should fear rather than a trans woman who was born male ..”

You are naive. What about the opportunists who claim they’re women just to get access to women’s spaces and win their medals? Not the nice gentle TW that you’re taking about, but the hairy arse chancers who don’t give a fuck and will use any means to satisfy their fetish. How do we police that?

If you let one biological male in, it means you open it to them all. Single sex spaces and categories are the only way to safeguard girls and women. And yes, that might mean that some men with genuine gender dysphoria might feel hurt, but you don’t sacrifice 50% of the population for a tiny minority of men who actually have a real psychological condition.

Erm...

'Again, that's just because of the hysteria you guys spread here.'

I would like to ask how @GlovedhandsCecilia feels about men who identify as trans, such as Katie Dolotowski who attacked young girls in supermarket female toilets?

Is this 'hysteria'?

Exactly. And the Supreme Court ruling was awesome for transmen. They are now entitled to abortion care as previously they could have been denied as “men are not entitled to abortion and pregnancy care”. and won’t have to go to male prison if they commit a crime. So that’s fab for them isn’t it?

Women navigate the risk of SA every where we go. The toilets are in no way the highest risk of SA to us. Our marital beds are.

By nit having TW in my toilets, my risk of being SA over my lifetime has not changed at all because they were never the people most likely to SA me.

It's like putting down foxes to eliminate your risk of being bitten by a dog while you breed dogs at home.

Cecilia, have you read up on the subject of autogynophilia? If you haven't maybe you should.

I’m sure the feeling is entirely mutual.

So for you toilets absolutely fine, are you OK with changing rooms? Gym showers? Sports? Rape counselling? Prisons? At what hypothetical point are we allowed to say, no you are male and this is a female space please stay out?