Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Or could be the topless man in the photo that was mentioned? Seems to me the only possible reason for linking that thread and talking about the haters. Otherwise there was nothing in that thread other than the protest.

Your post is pretty full of tropes.

Using female language for male people does indeed ‘cost’ female people collectively and sometimes individually. Just because you can’t see the ‘cost’, doesn’t mean that others cannot and that those costs are not legitimate.

“I don't care if a trans woman uses the same loo as me..”

You talk about empathy yet you have none for female people who want to have single sex provisions that exclude male people. Your discussion about cubicles is missing several points such as the cubicles have (necessary) gaps between floor and wall and wall and ceiling, that often female toilet usage involves activities out in the publicly shared area, and that coming face to face with a male person knowing you have been in close quarters or are about to be is distressing for some female people.

But you do your brand of empathy and just shame those who need empathy as much as those others you willingly empathise with.

“If you're worried about men then it's heterosexual men you should fear rather than a trans woman who was born male”

More trope.

Please link up the evidence that the male people who you categorise as transwomen have the same or lower risk profile of committing sex offences than female people. of course, there are many other risks associated with those male people being in female single sex provisions, but if you link up evidence of that change in risk of sex offence data that will be a good place to start. Otherwise, I think we can consider your statements to be emotionally reasoned and not based on evidence.

I assumed it was simply the fact women were protesting to put pressure on the government to table the guidance that provides additional clarity.

But it could be as you say.

An earlier poster highlighted the phrase 'when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression'

This seems very relevant to the TRA movement generally. TRAs have had whispered, unfettered access to government, our institutions, our schools, our children. They have been a Grima Wormtongue at the ear of power for a decade.

TRAs are increasingly aggressive in their responses precisely because other voices are now being heard. Their days of special treatment are ending and to them it feels like oppression.

“If you're worried about men then it's heterosexual men you should fear rather than a trans woman who was born male”

@Bigwelshlamb
Can you explain the difference between the two categories of person you name above and tell me why one should be feared but not the other?

What TG women and their female supporters never bring up, is that women cannot tell the difference between a TG woman and a predator, because 93-99% of all sexual predators are men.

So whether a TG woman is lovely is irrelvant. Most men are lovely but if they chose to enter a female only space they either don't care about the comfort or dignity of women, or they enjoy the discomfort their presence is giving.

I will never call my rapist she.

They say they are. Insist on it, in fact.
Who are you to tell them they're not?

According to the rules of Transactivism, any man who says he's a woman automatically is a woman.

You can't pick and choose. We either let them all in or none of them.
Pick a side.

There is a direct line between using demanded pronouns and lying about humans being able to change sex to kids undergoing unnecessary medical interventions that don't even address the causes of their distress. It's not kind, it's evil.

Trans women are born male and continue to be male for the whole of their lives, as such I don't want them in female spaces with me. Do you not understand that it's the principle of the thing that matters? If it's a female space, it's for females , not males. It's not hate to say that, it's protecting females, not just in the everlasting toilet debate but in every aspect of life. Why do you think that females aren't allowed to have anything for us?
As an aside, I will ask my usual question. According to you, when does a man become a woman?

@Bigwelshlamb

The same type of data (eg MoJ) that shows that men are massively greater threat than women also shows transwomen are an even greater statistical threat than men in general (eg imprisonment stats).

So why is it reasonable to fear the first group but not the second?

(My point isn’t about sexual orientation but yours was: it seems about 60% of transwomen are heterosexual. So even by your own lights there’s a big portion of this dangerous group you think it’s reasonable to fear in the group you are telling women to give a pass to).

It’s the confidence in posting all of that guff that makes me laugh. Heterosexual men, LOL.

Presumably this also means that@Bigwelshlamb is happy for gay men to be in female-only spaces. The list gets longer.

Or men who promise faithfully not to do anything bad while they're in female spaces

The notion that ‘trans women’ have fannies

you seem to misunderstand - most people (if not all) are empathetic. Truly.

the issue is the outcome of the empathy.

you solution is validation. It’s costs us ‘nothing’. Be kind etc.

but we don’t don’t think that is fair. It does have a cost. It means validating people who do not share our experiences as if they had them. It means having to override our natural instincts. It means going against fairness. You’re saying that your solution is the only one and everyone else is wrong. People on here are simply saying we matter too and is the kindest solution to listen to what everyone is saying.

Many trans women arent attracted to women, they are attracted to men. Therefore, they arent heterosexual men, even if you view TW as men.

Therefore it makes little sense for a women to fear what is essentially a gay man wants to look at her in the loo.

We've seen how many men identifying as women talk about women, the misogyny and hate speech is rife. It does not matter who fancies whom this is about power and intimidation.

Plenty of them are straight men so banging on about the ones who are gay is irrelevant, hope that helps.

Many TW are though - which is why lesbian groups up and down the land are having to fight for single sex spaces to exclude them and facing all sorts of threats in the process.

So you are saying all gay men should be welcome in female spaces? Really? How do we tell which men are gay and which aren’t? How do you explain males with a trans identity claiming to be “lesbians” then?

Sorry op but their DNA will confirm otherwise.

You refer in your op to your friend being lovely. I get that. I used to work 20 years ago with a trans woman, she was lovely, it didn’t occur to me about being worried about sharing toilets with her. She even once helped me when I nearly passed out in one of them.

However, you are failing to recognise that there is also a big difference between being comfortable with people you know, and people you don’t. There is a difference between a friend, and a stranger. Can you not see why women may be uncomfortable around a stranger who was born a male, just in the same way as a male not pretending to be a woman. We have the right to feel safe and have spaces away from men, regardless as who they identify as. That is not hate.

“Just be polite, it costs you nothing.”

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Just stfu and do what men tell you to do.

I don't want gay men in any female space with me, because they are MEN. It's not a female space if men are included. Why is that so hard to understand?

Is anyone else getting the Harry Enfield “women, know your place” vibes?