Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Why would you prefer to share a toilet with a man rather than a woman?

There is no hate on here. Just women looking out for other women, which is what feminism basically is.

I don't hate transgender women. I just don't want them in the women's toilets.

I don't care if a transgender man is in the ladies because they're not actually a man.

If this is real and not another Reddit or Bluesky fishing expedition for screen shots

That's all very nice but we don't base the law, safeguarding or risk assessment on people's nice friends. Your friend is a man for all that that means. We can no more base laws and practice on people's nice trans friends than we can on my nice DH

If you see hateful comments please do report them.

oddly enough I never see any myself.

Or you can stay and have respectful discussions with people who have different views to yours.

How do you feel about sharing a toilet with hairy masculine transgender women?

I don’t hate transgender people but I object to sharing toilet facilities with men. This is because of perverse behaviour I have witnessed personally. A woman who identifies as a man is still a woman in my opinion and I have no objection to sharing a space with them.

I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man

This is the most hateful thing I've seen on this board regarding trans people since you literally say "hate". Nobody, or an incredibly, incredibly small number, on this board actually hate trans people - we just want to preserve our right to safety, privacy and dignity. Sharing intimate spaces with men, regardless of whether they are in a dress or not or lovely or not, doesn't fulfil this right.

A trans woman in my eyes is a woman, and a trans man is a man. Especially once they have had gender reassignment surgery.

@Steph2002 There is a trans-identified male (transgender woman, in your language) on these very threads, threatening to rape women with a 'splintery rolling pin'. Would you like to share a toilet, or indeed a planet, with him?

Well, that’s where we differ.

People can’t change sex.

Women need single sex spaces for their dignity, comfort and safety.

There is no hate here. Please point us to where you have seen hate

It’s not really about toilets though is it. It’s about men forcing their way into women’s spaces generally.

I don't really see any hate for trans identifying people of either sex here on MN. I just disagree with their claims about reality, and resist the outcomes of their mistaken beliefs.

Individually, pity is probably the closest emotion I have for most of them who have been suckered in by it, but who are not actively spreading the nonsense further.

I think that the issue is that this is pretty much the only mainstream forum where you can post anything that goes against the view that transwomen are women and should be treated as such in all circumstances. This view has implications for women but we're not allowed to discuss it anywhere else. Because it's the only place you get a whole range of views here, from those who are coming from a place of concern for women's rights to people who actively hate the entire concept of people transitioning and those that do it.

And in my eyes, they're not. Not agreeing that people can change sex is not hateful.

I don't hate trans people.

Most of us don't. It's the histrionics and entitlement we can't stand. Most of us don't care what you wear, or call yourself, just don't help yourself to other people's rights and cry victim when you're called out on it. Which should be pretty much standard for all humans.

And why are you so intolerant of non-conforming women? They're still women. Why would you 'hate' to be around one?

A true Transgender women won't be hairy or masculine. I totally agree that men in dresses should be banned but they aren't transgender.

Hi @Steph2002
Completely agree with you. There’s so much trans hate on MN, it is depressing.
Several of my children’s friends are trans and they are the loveliest, most gentle and beautiful human beings. It’s so sad that they are treated like this by an ill-informed and bitter minority.

With all the hate in the world at the moment, this is surely a time when people should be showing love and compassion to everybody?

I have a very close friend who is a post-op transwoman. He is still a man though.
I would personally not mind if I shared a public toilet with him, because I know he is nice and not a threat, but other women don't know him so it's not okay for him to be in there. I'm also fine with my husband being in the same toilets as me, but other women aren't, so he needs to stay out. It's exactly the same.

How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know

Funnily enough, yes - family friend, a relatively distant relative, a colleague at an old job. Nice people and no threat to anyone, but neither are my own DH or my DSs, my dad or my brother - and I don't want them in women's toilets either.

Are you saying trans women are only women if they've had gender reassignment surgery?

And forcing themselves into committes and roles specifically for women who have lived their lives as biological females but think because they wear a skirt now they have a sense of knowledge into what it really means to be a woman. A trans person who now identifies as a man or a woman has no real expetience of what it means to live as the biological make up they were born into

Yes but they not are they - factually, biologically TW are men otherwise they just be women wouldn't they?

now you're free to believe your friend is a woman but you have no right to require other ppl to collude with your belief

and law is based on facts and reality not peoples mysterious unprovable view of their inner self

Reality is not hatred. Most of us don’t want men in our spaces, no matter how nice/brave/stunning you may think he is.

I don’t want to be compelled to buy into someone else’s delusion.