Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Out of interest, if she identifies (and I assume), looks like a man (as trans men pass as men way more easily than trans women pass as women) then why doesn’t she use male toilets? If there were no mixed sex toilets available? If I was them I’d feel way more comfortable going into the men’s where I’d probably not get a second glance than I would going into the women’s where everyone is going to think ‘why the hell is there a man in here?’

Also sounds extremely trichophobic to me

Same.

Is it a quiet day for the murky rainbows over on Reddit today?

I don’t hate men who would prefer to be women.

I believe that they are not women and as such would not want to be forced to share women’s spaces, both physical and intellectual with them.

So you mind your mate sharing the ladies - so what, thats not your decision, consent is not transferable. It’s a toilet for actual women. I don’t want transwomen in there and thankfully the law is on my side.
i couldn’t care less how someone presents/dresses. I can remember the 70s/80s thanks but I won’t pretend that magically they have changed sex, surgery or not.

It’s always worth pointing out that transwomen commit crimes at the same rate as the rest of men. So saying your mate is lovely means nothing, so is my husband, atill don’t want men in my spaces.

Maybe @Steph2002 can answer the question we never get an answer to, what does living as a woman mean?

Please do, without resorting to stereotypes about pink, skirts, make up and long hair.

We'd all like to know that.

Perhaps @Willow12345 "There’s so much trans hate on MN, it is depressing" above can also expand on the "trans-hate" that she claims MN is rife with.

They never do specify the actual hate though. Wonder why?

This is the most hateful thing I have seen about Transgender women on any of these repetitive tedious threads.

Who the fuck do you think you are telling Transgender women how hairy or masculine they should be or what they should or shouldn't wear in order to be transgender? What on earth do you imagine you are doing posting this?

"mum's net"? Which mum are you referring to? And what type of net is it? A fish net? Hair net?

It's surprising how many trans allies, who post about how transphobic mumsnet is, say things that are generally considered hatefully transphobic if GC women said them.

For example, only men that have had their penis removed should be considered real transwomen or transwomen should be held in solitary confinement in a women's prison rather than be housed in a mens prison.

Thankfully, Steph, im the only person who gets to consent for me and I do not consent to men in women’s single sex spaces.

can you explain how I tell a genuine trans person?

You know what I find weird? That a woman wearing trousers is just that, a woman wearing trousers.

But put a man in a dress and he apparently morphs into a woman, with the right to compete in women's sport, use women's loos etc.

at the risk of being the 94th person to say this:

Define your terms please - including "hate" "transgender"

Men LEGALLY have no right to be using women’s toilets.

You might be ok with your hairy pal using them but you don’t speak for me and the VAST majority of women don’t feel safe with biological men in our toilets and changing spaces.

However, due to incidences of actual violence, most women will want to stay safe so choose to say nothing to prevent any risk of provocation.

This does not mean they consent!

A true Transgender women won't be hairy or masculine

Suggests you think women should conform to some kind of stereotypical pish. You should see my legs after a long winter. Guarantee it doesn’t make me a man.

I don't hate trans anyone. I don't believe that men become women, I don't want men to insert themselves into women's activities or organizations , or any space designated for females. It's a typical male response to aggressively insist that they have the right to do something even if others object. I was sexually assaulted years ago and don't want to relive the traumatic event just so some bloke can be validated.
As a matter of interest could you tell me when a man becomes a woman?

Steph's probably back on Reddit or Blue sky getting their pats on the back for standing up to the nasty mummies

oh no you don't. "true Transgender" (your words) is transphobic.

@Brightbluestone probably because regardless of how many hormones and how much surgery they've had, it's still pretty easy to spot someone's sex, especially once they walk or move around. A transman usually is shorter than a man, has a different gait, shoulder/hip ratios are a tell, etc etc.

(Even when human gaits were reduced to points of light, stripping out all other clues like hair, clothing, body shape and facial features, studies have consistently shown that people can tell the difference between men and women when moving. And women are better at it than men are.)

I’ll ignore the inaccuracies on this post and concentrate on one part of it. Do you have lovely, gentle and beautiful Male friends and family? Do you think they should also be using Female single sex provision?

OP very few trans people have surgery and to a certain extent that is a good thing. It's brutal and less than 10,000 people in the UK have had it
Please don't add to the calls for it's normalisation as it effects young people more than those 25 plus who have fully developed brains.

I do have skin in the game and feel things have started to settle down for genuine go about your business trans people. Not all mumsnet are haters or have no knowledge.

OP you are happy to share spaces with your “lovely” friend, who is a man, but not with “hairy masculine transgender men” , who are women.

Fine.

But you don’t speak for all women, and I am willing to bet that there are a lot more women who prefer not to share private spaces with men, women who have been mentally or physically abused, women who for social or religious reasons are not comfortable sharing spaces with men, women who prefer to conduct intimate actions related to being a woman in a space where they feel that it is private.

I am sure your TIM friend is a dream, but he isn’t my friend, he isn’t a woman, and I would like him to stay out of womens spaces.

I'm very confused today. I'm wearing a band t shirt, bloke's fit, and jeans and have short hair. So I must be a man. But then I did the laundry and am about to cook, and did put a bit of eyeliner on to go to the shop.

I have no idea any more. Oh wait, I do.

Although I’d be happy to share a bathroom with a trans woman who’d had their penis removed.

also transphobic. Although to be fair the rest of your post wasn't awful.

Trust me, Steph is being cancelled right this minute for posting a literal hate crime. Probably being threatened with being pissed on or something something with a splintery rolling pin.

A true Transgender women won't be hairy or masculine. I totally agree that men in dresses should be banned but they aren't transgender.