Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

@Steph2002 Please define exactly what you mean when you write 'hate'. Thank you.

I could agree with you but then imo we would both be wrong.
A transman will NEVER be a woman not matter how much they think they are it is down to chromosomes and what got there first x or y.
Transmen and transwomen just have to face facts that most people know and do not believe a person can change biological sex.

Where is YOUR love and compassion for women who want to protect their single sex services, spaces and opportunities?

Its neither here nor there if you personally like a trans identified male, nobody is suggesting they are all evil or even unlikeable as people, I am gender critical and know trans identified males I quite like. The issue is that they are male regardless of how they choose to identify and its a fact that humans cannot change sex. It isn't for you or any individual woman to wave males like this into women's spaces because those are female single sex spaces, not anyone in who wants to be a woman spaces. This has now been clarified in the law to mean sex at birth as opposed to what you identify as. This is the right thing to do and offers protection to the most vulnerable women and all women really from having their hard won sex based rights eroded to pacify and indulge male desires.

Transmen are women.

Transman- women who identifies as a man, a female

Transwoman - man who identifies as a woman, a male

Yeah you should probably find another site if you want to discuss anything to do with transgender issues! You’ll never get anywhere and it’s just an echo chamber. 99.9% of MNers are GC, with the spectrum ranging from sex realists that with a certain level of acceptance of trans women but with a desire to protect women’s spaces and sports, a few of whom can see the other side of the issue and have some sympathy with trans people (like myself), to full-on transphobia, disrespect, and hatred of trans people (especially trans women). The reason most women on here don’t have a problem with trans men is because the vast majority on here are feminists and trans men don’t pose a threat to women in the way trans women do. For most women on MN imo, it’s about protecting women’s spaces and not having a biological male allowed in women’s spaces. Which is fair enough IMO. Although I’d be happy to share a bathroom with a trans woman who’d had their penis removed. I just don’t want penises in my spaces

Key point - 'in your eyes' Your opinion is not fact. The reality is - transwomen are men. Transmen are women.

I object to sharing any female designated spaces with males. My objection is not confined to toilet facilties. Single sex spaces should be just that. Not for people who 'identify as'.

Surgery or no surgery, the science doesn't change.

HTH.

And you don’t think it’s odd that your children have “several” friends that were allegedly born in the wrong body? You’ve never stopped to question how such a thing would happen?

Steph?
Steph?

Where do i know that name from?

Ted Bundy was described as a 'nice, regular guy' by people who knew him.
You can't tell either way.

I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man

So you set up a thread asking about hatred of trans people whilst declaring your own hatred?

Why would you hate sharing with a hairy masculine woman, but be ok sharing with a hairy masculine man who has decided to ‘identify’ as a woman?

More like 1998, I think.

Refusing to accept unmitigated bollocks is not hate. I'm sure your friend, should he exist, is lovely, but he's still a man.

Refusing to accept unmitigated bollocks is not hate. I'm sure your friend, should he exist, is lovely, but he's still a man.

I don’t hate transwomen at all.

I just don’t believe they’re women. They’re men. And therefore should not be in women’s single sex spaces or organisations.

If anything I pity them because thinking you can become the opposite sex means they’re mentally unwell and deluded.

No hate though.

Oh Steph. You're not seeing transgender hate on Mumsnet. What you are seeing is women calling men out on their bullshit.

<YAWN>
Here we go again...
I don't hate transgender women. I've even had one stay the night in my house... (friend of an adult DC, perfectly pleasant).

But I don't want them in women's spaces, because how can you tell the 'true trans' from any creepy male? And we all know which sex commits the sex crimes.

I also don't want them in women's sports, for various reasons.

And yes, @ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews, I wondered the same thing.

My DH has a niece who identifies as a trans man and has had reassignment surgery. I have known her for nearly 2 decades, she is a woman identifying as a man. I always knew her as a gay woman and that was how she identified, then! Surgery hasn’t changed her into a man.

She does not claim to be a man, she is a transgender man. She uses mixed facilities and would never go into a male toilet.

What I do object to is the encroachment of the female identity by people who are not female. And my feelings really do not come from a place of hate.

!00% agree. It's amazing how there is always a friend /several friends/ so many friends who are trans of people who spout this rubbish.

I also didn't say she hated transgender people, I said it was the most hateful thing I'd seen on this board, simply because she used the word hate. It was a point about this board not being hateful - actual hate is reported and removed and those posters are banned.

When a toddler makes nonsense claims or demands, the best response is generally something along the lines of “That’s nice for you, dear. Now, shall we have peas or broccoli with our fish fingers?”

My thoughts exactly.

A true Transgender women won't be hairy or masculine.

That is one of the most transphobic, gatekeeping comments I have ever read on MN.

A vanishingly small number of transwomen have bottom surgery ( because it doesn't give you genitals that function practically or sexually). Therefore 99.9% of the transwomen walking about are biological men ( and will always be that because you cannot change sex) with their penis intact. They are not women and will never be women. I'm sure you think its kind/ cool/ trendy to validate your friends delusion that he is a woman just like you. He isn't.

Absolutely all of this 👏

I’d like to hear your response to this, OP