A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

Were you told that by taking oestrogen that your risk of having a stroke is now 10x that of a man who is not taking oestrogen? Were you told that your risk of a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) or pulmonary embolus (PE) was 5x that of a man who is not taking oestrogen?

It isn't a suggestion, it is based on 10 years watching laws, funding, access, sports, centres, resources, toilets, changing rooms, jobs etc which were by law 'female only' all go to men who say they are women.

This research is junk. You need follow-up for all patients not just those who are happy. I can only read the abstract so perhaps in the full article they discuss why there follow-up was so poor.

For them, underwhelmingly neutral.

This was in the evidence for SRS.

For complication chances, here's one document:

https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1097/JU.0000000000002032.08

What about this information released by Amsterdam UMC in 2025?

”Contrary to previous research, transgender women who use the hormone oestradiol for their transition do not have an increased risk of heart attack and stroke compared to men in the general Dutch population. This is shown by a large-scale study from Amsterdam UMC, with data from more than 4,000 transgender individuals, published today in the European Heart Journal. The researchers suspect that the hormone treatment transgender women receive has a protective effect on the heart and blood vessels.”

https://www.amsterdamumc.org/en/spotlight/transgender-women-do-not-have-an-increased-risk-of-heart-attack-and-stroke

It literally says it was overwhelmingly positive.

Would you like to give an example of any other sub group of people that have been legally given access to the provisions of another group when that sub group is part of the group responsible for oppression for the group that the provision was set up to protect? Any other group been given these additional privileges like those that have been given to a sub group of male people?

Yet, female people are still the ones losing out here to accommodate a group of male people’s wishes. I find that fucking offensive.

I’m going to stop you right there. Your issue here is with cis men. Transsexual women are not responsible for what they do.

Trans people aren't the oppressor class. Cis white men are, and the manufactured outrage against trans people is a tool of the far right to divide women and make women think this other minority is the real enemy whilst cis white men repeatedly repeal and restrict the rights of women

It is the EXACT same thing the far right do against migrants with the working class.

Shall we also just keep repeating that female people with transgender identities are quite usually side lined in the discussion about the negative side effects of these treatments with the outcome being extreme body modifications.

I feel that is kind of important to keep saying.

I also would like to repeat that you need to stop infantilising trans men. They're grown men and don't need your fictional care for their welfare.

MALE people are the oppressor class.

No male person can make a choice to undergo extreme body modification to move out of that oppressor class.

In fact, we have at least two male people on this very thread telling us that they continue to use female single sex provisions despite understanding that female people have a right to have those provisions that excludes them.

That is actually an act of continuing oppression right there.

"tool of the far right"

Left wing female people were the first people to raise the alarm decades ago. Or have you also conveniently dismissed this in your rush to portray this as a 'far right' initiative. Male people, by demanding that female people treat them as being female people, have caused this division themselves.

Radical feminism is also not a set of principles that centre any other group like it centres female people. Your discussion about 'other minorities' is actually just another fucking offensive attempt at force teaming.

Shall we point out all the ways that MALE people have continued to repeal and restrict the rights of female people? Where shall we start? Prison accommodation ? Rape crisis support? Refuges? Sport?

"It is the EXACT same thing the far right do against migrants with the working class."

Would you like to detail this comparison you have just tried to force to work for you? Come on. Lay it all out very clearly.

How is the situation where male people have forced female people to accept their subjective reality as being materially real for access to female single sex provisions been EXACTLY like the far right campaign about limiting legal migration?

I am very keen to see your clear argument for this.

Oh please. This is entirely recycled garbage from trans media. You're parroting it almost word for word without thinking. There are so many holes in this so-called argument, where to begin?

"I also would like to repeat that you need to stop infantilising trans men. They're grown men and don't need your fictional care for their welfare."

^ This line is also peddled to death on trans media.

Just think for yourself!

How is pointing out the harmful negative side effects of taking testosterone for an identity purpose (ie. not for any physical health condition) infantilising those female people?

My 'care' is not fictional at all, I have numerous trans identified female people in my life. Did you realise that feminism is about centring the needs of all female people and not centring the needs of male people?

But Grey.... I am looking forward to a male poster explaining to me how the those two situations are EXACTLY the same....

"It is the EXACT same thing the far right do against migrants with the working class."
Would you like to detail this comparison you have just tried to force to work for you? Come on. Lay it all out very clearly.
How is the situation where male people have forced female people to accept their subjective reality as being materially real for access to female single sex provisions been EXACTLY like the far right campaign about limiting legal migration?

I too want this explained to me. Very clearly, if you would please @ATranssexualWoman

Explain it to me like I'm 5

“Your issue is with men. Men are not responsible for what they do”. Sorry, had to stop you there.

CIS WHITE MEN are the oppressor class.

Trans women are not cis men and do not hold even 1% of the power cis men do.

Undermining bodily autonomy is not, and never will be, a left wing ideal. You have always been conservative. I'm sure you'll deny that, but it doesn't change the fact that anti-trans ideology is rooted in authoritarian, conservative and patriarchal ideals.

It wasn't trans people that revoked the right to abortion, it wasn't trans people that spent millennia oppressing women, it was CIS WHITE MEN.

You're not a feminist by any means, you're another tool of the patriarchy.

And yes, this is the exact same thing as the far rights demonisation of migrants. The far right picked a target to distract people from their oppression. They managed to make you focus more on transsexuals than actual risks to women's rights.

They're not exactly hiding this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/20/alliance-defending-freedom-multimillion-dollar-conservative-christian-group-attacking-lgbtq-rights

Im going to stop you right there.

A man who has medical changes made is still a man. Cis is made up nonsense.

Because you pretend that trans men can't take an informed opinion for themselves.

T helps trans men live their lives. You deny who they are and couldn't care less about them unless they do what you want them to do.

Fuck right off! You are not a sacred caste, immune from criticism. You are part of the male class of people just as capable of oppressing women as any other man. You don’t get a free pass because you have a trans identity.

As a male you have no reference point for knowing what it would feel like to be female. It’s just fanciful. You can only know what it personally feels like to feel out of place as a male. That doesn’t make you female, in any sense.

And you can fuck right off as well. Men irrespective of their ethnicity IN ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD are the oppressor class.

Fuck right off! You are not a sacred caste, immune from criticism. You are part of the male class of people just as capable of oppressing women as any other man. You don’t get a free pass because you have a trans identity.

Yes, the free passes all expired a looooong time ago