A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

I made no assumptions about the 45% hence some ideas about why.

Also, operations with a potential 45% failure or complication rate would be haulted as soon as they had stats - apart from 'trans' which seems to run counter to everything else in medical land.

So, no. I and many others are not ok with you using any female single sex provision because you chose to undergo extreme body modification and feel entitled to then use that provision.

Find alternative solutions, just like many female people with transgender identities do. You have just shown you can only respect female people’s needs if the actions required to do that don’t inconvenience you. That is inherently misogynist.

Shall we talk about how reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy isn't standard NHS treatment?

You get treated better than women. We don't even get to use the word women in maternity care.

So don't try that shit here.

You said "I know I should’ve been born female". Saying you "know" something like this is either expressing a belief (like a religious belief) or it's a delusion, which is a distorted view of reality.

If you believe your sense of identity somehow doesn't fit with your sexed body, why do you think your body needs to change to fit your distorted thinking? Why couldn't your mind be trained to accept your body? No drugs with appalling side effects, no painful surgery, keep your fertility and natural sexual function... Surely this would be better for you and for the NHS.

apparently not ‘medical necessary’ compared to a male person who wants extreme body medication so their body matches their identity.

So you would not give a GRC until after genital surgery? And if surgery was not possible, that’s tough?

They don't have a 45% complication rate. The complication rate varies from complication to complication but the actually severe ones are less than 1%

There are obvious exceptions for people who have not had the operation as they aren't fit for it. But for the rest? Yeah pretty much. I think there can be nuance for people who are in the process of getting the op done

Absolutely not. Trans people are some of the worst treated by the NHS.

And ofc women is used in maternity provision. I went to look for an example, found an NHS maternity poster immediately that says women on it multiple times.

You know it isn’t a competition to see who can you treated worse, right? Both of us are treated worse compared to non-trans men.

Your evidence did not show a less than 1% complication rate. You have no idea what the 45% of people who did not respond thought about their operations.

Mate, a man who says he is a woman gets every law broken just to appease him if he so wishes.

My medical evidence I was given by my surgeon has it broken down by complication.

You also have no idea what that 45% said. All we do know is the people who did respond who responded very positively.

Yes, my internal sense of self, my identity, is female. To me it feels stronger than a mere belief, but we can agree to disagree on that.

I tried to ignore my dysphoria for many years and for a time thought I could like without transitioning, but in the end I knew I had to do it for my happiness. Would my life have been easier if I didn’t have to transition? Yes, but afaik no one offers a psychological treatment that actually works for gender dysphoria

'the pain isnt worse at 12 months' is not positive - it is neutral.

Just adding this as reminder here.

https://x.com/hennieinglis/status/2031067162975117536?s=46

The text reads

Dear Sister,
In regards to the Sandy Stone controversy: genetic women- Gennys-have never had to suffer the discrimination, self-hatred or fear that a transsexual must endure and survive in their lives. Genetic women are not ridiculed as severely, killed, tortured and arrested simply because they are transsexual, as are transsexuals. Genetic women have many rights, in comparison to transsexuals, who have none.

Genetic women cannot possess the very special courage, brilliance, sensitivity and compassion-and overview-that derives from the transsexual experience. Free from the chains of menstruation and child- bearing. transsexual women are obviously far superior to Gennys in many ways.

As some of you have discovered. because of the severity of the genocidal attitudes we must deal with all of our lives, many transsexuals have learned how to fight without giving any quarter or showing any mercy.
Genetic women are becoming quite obsolete, which is obvious, and the future belongs to transsexual women. We know this, and perhaps some of you suspect it. All you have left is your “ability" to bear children, and in a world which will groan to feed 6 billion by the year 2000, that's a negative asset.

Transsexual and veryproud,
Angela Douglas
Berkeley
Reprinted from Sister August-September, 1977

Reading this again puts me in mind of this recent interaction with Alexandra Billings on social media.

Self published video from Alexandra Billings here .

https://x.com/gaynotqueer1/status/2032811484271817092?s=46

Then the chilling and menacing response to women saying 'no' here.

https://x.com/knownheretic/status/2032639781658833142?s=46

The hatred has been made clear to us for decades and yet, we are supposed to remain support humans for some male people. Male people still will continue to access female single sex provisions knowing that female people need them to remain only for female people.

When male people tell us they will continue to use the provisions, they are just adding their contribution to Douglas from 1977 and most recently, Billings. Because female people are being reminded that who is going to stop any male person from dismissing female people’s needs.

You’re serious, aren’t you? That just isn’t true at all. We’re not out here living on easy mode because we’re trans. And I find your suggestion that everything just gets handed to us offensive.

Losing 45% of patients to follow-up is dreadful. It totally invalidates the conclusions of the article. The missing patients could all be dead or suffering terrible complications.

You say that as someone who actively dismisses female people’s needs when it suits you.

Yes, because the body has healed? Did you expect it to get worse?

What makes you think they lost them?

Same here. I was provided with the list of potential complications and how common they are. A 45% complication rate isn’t accurate at all.

What makes you think they lost them?

Because that is what they say in the article. There was only a 55% response rate so they have no idea of outcomes for almost half of the patients treated at this centre.

And so the bit that said it meant those 45% had complications was your bias was it? Or did it say in the article those 45% were unhappy?

The only thing we actually have data on, is the 55% who DID respond. And for them, overwhelmingly positive.