A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

Thread on this here

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5504080-reduxx-transgender-reddit-moderator-deletes-account-after-being-exposed-as-registered-child-sex-offender

He was the mid for the egg girls so aimed at young boys young men.

be very very careful on reddit. Online communities are rife with groomers, often older males who went through puberty themselves and haven’t had surgery or
taken hormones. But happy to advise teenagers and young adults to take them.
Please read the Cass review. Please look at the damage caused by social as well as medical affirmation.

@FlumpyLump

If I were you, I would be reading this thread here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5445882-medical-treatment-for-gender-identity-evidence-archive-thread?page=1

And following all the references in the studies and papers listed before I would continue to tell parents on a parenting site to 'check their husband's search histories'. In fact, as someone else pointed out, you should be checking the moderators and posters on the reddit site you are posting on before lecturing parents who have actually kept up to date with the studies and the evidence.

You would get good advice from posters here. You have incorrectly assumed that we have no experience that would be relevant to yours. Where did you get that prejudiced view that we don't have experience that is relevant to your's from?

Even India Wannabe who didn't take puberty blockers makes posts like this one on X.

'If I could find a way to get puberty blockers and HRT to trans families in the UK, I’d absolutely do it. 100%.'

r/transgenderUK is, like most aligned subs on that platform, a committed grooming forum that works very hard to pretend that opposition to the harm it does is an act of hatred, and to encourage parents to collude in the abuse and neglect of their children

They need these parents to go all in on the abuse and neglect otherwise at some point they will have to accept that they are deluded people living harmful and sad lives: if they can continue to groom and coerce people into believing otherwise they can continue to avoid accepting reality

If you are under 16 in the UK, can you legally:
Get a tattoo? No
Buy a lottery ticket or gamble? No
Drink? No
Drive? No
Get a piercing? No
Get a hysterectomy? No
Vote? No

Even for the under 18s, there are many restrictions on your activities as you are not deemed competent to make decisions which have long-lived consequences.

Why not suggest to your child that they delay permanent changes until they're older? Give themselves time to work out what's best for them?

@FlumpyLump

Mumsnet has a lot of parents on it. It’s famous for its pro-safeguarding stance.

Do you really think that the majority of parents here want to harm your child? Almost everyone here wants the best for kids.

The same cannot be said of Reddit.

The same cannot be said of Reddit.

This. Please @FlumpyLump at least think about why ^they're telling you what they're telling you.
Mumsnet is for parents and people who care about kids.
Reddit....?

Your son is most likely gay as you suspected. Referrring to him as " she" is not going to help him in the long term - it will only reinforce him on a path of damaging drugs and potentially mutilating surgery. Many who have gone through such 'treatments' continue to feel dyspshoric, and others suicidal as 'transition' does not resolve all of their anxieties.

You are, and will always remain the sex you were at conception. Encouraging your child with this delusion is not the best course of action. He will be dependent on the validation of other people for ever; and in most circumstances will not receive that validation.

I transitioned as a teen in the 80s. I've been on HRT for over 40 years, yawn. I don't know how long I'll be on them in the future, but my health is quite fine. My sex life has been fine, thank you. I do not have biological children, but I do have children.

Trans children exist. Trans children are people. "Trans Ideology" is a creation of religious conservatives and others who are marginalised by society whenever they direct their obsessions toward actual people.

I'd like to remind everyone not to get too involved batting back this commentator.

The best thing we can do is to support @FlumpyLump with alternative views, well sourced evidence and showing her clearly that the things she thinks will help, won't, and why.

I heartily wish the aforementioned poster would stick to their user name

This is an adult man, whose extensive challenges in life are unfortunately and publicly very very obvious. Many if not all of these adult men went through full sexual development, physically and neurologically, before transitioning.

The question has to be asked, why are these men so very invested in the sterilising of children? Why are they so very happy to encourage and push along something experimental, on children, that those children may be seriously harmed by and bitterly regret in a few years time when there is no going back and they are stuck with it for a lifetime? It is a permanent and high risk solution to what may very well be a temporary problem.

In safeguarding, ask the difficult questions. Think the unthinkable about why someone may be so keen to help. No one on FWR will ever be afraid of that.

A psychiatrist like that doesnt exist anymore because they would get thrown out of their profession

@FlumpyLump and her child should be supported and be well informed while working through everything. I am sure she is already aware of all of the 'alternate views' universally conveyed by the members here.

Sadly the NHS trans care programs were eviscerated haven't properly functioned in any capacity in years. Trans children and their parents are abandoned to the unknown and deserve better.

Its not HRT

Ironically, in the UK people are not allowed to offer unqualified financial advice online because of the harm it could cause.

But sure, stick some homebrew meds in a minor, no probs.

Trans ideology is literally an off-shoot of post-modernistic queer theory. Literally an ideology. Biology is real. It exists. It is not a set of ideas.

HRT is re-placing the hormones you would naturally have had but have lost, not dosing a person with large amounts of cross sex hormones.

Please also note that Aimee Challenor also had protection on Reddit. I believe that the member of the Reddit Moderation team covering for the Mod mentioned in the quote above is the same one who covered for Challenor.

No child is the opposite sex to that which they are, and it is both cruel and irresponsible to encourage them to continue under that delusion.

My prescriptions have been referred to as HRT for over 40 years. You can call them anything you like, as you will.

We know that gender ideologues refer to cross sex hormones them in that way...but that is not what they are.

I feel compelled to mention that there is another MN regular who is a man who has passed through surgery and medication history as part of gender distress, and the story radically shifts, frequently, between being fine and having no problems and being happy, to descriptions of severe and distressing medical issues and unhappiness. Miranda Yardley's essays about his surgeries and the psychological impacts he experienced over time are well worth reading.

Thats because the health professions get things wrong sometimes

This is an example of it

Trans people exist. Trans people have socially and medically adapted their lives throughout history. They are not going to disappear because a minority of obsessed individuals with some temporary legal reinforcement declare them to not exist.