A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

Please explain very clearly how transexual male people are no longer male people.

I am very happy to link you up with plenty of examples of just how those you categorise as 'transexual women' (see there you are using female language for yourself again) continue to behave no differently to the general population of male people.

But, how about you go into detail why you believe that male people with a transgender identity are no longer male people for the purpose being excluded from female single sex provisions and other initiatives to address a millennia or more of male oppression?

Then please join the other male poster to point out all the ways how MALE people have not continued to repeal and restrict the rights of female people through their demand to be included in Prison accommodation for female prisoners ? inclusion in female single sex rape crisis support? Refuges? Sport?

Men are the oppressor class when it comes to male and female. Not “cis white men”. Go and tell that to women in India, Afghanistan or sub Saharan Africa. “Trans women” are men like all the rest of the male sex.

And you can fuck right off as well. Men irrespective of their ethnicity IN ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD are the oppressor class.

Exactly. The irony of a male person based here in the West telling us that only cis white men are the oppressor class.

I'm making no statements about the ethnicity of these two posters because I have no evidence, but I have my own thoughts

Oh... so you have resorted to ad hominem attacks now to distract from the fact that you cannot even explain clearly your claim.

You seem just as ignorant of feminist history, as you cannot conceivable understand the needs of female people and female lived experience.

You keep repeating things that obviously sounded good to you without any further analysis. Because you cannot explain anything. You post links that you think will cover your claims. You have also posted something from a completely different country to the UK when we are here in the UK having a discussion about the UK.

This was your claim:

"It is the EXACT same thing the far right do against migrants with the working class."

Again, I ask to detail this comparison you have just tried to force to work for you? Come on. Lay it all out very clearly.

How is the situation where male people have forced female people to accept their subjective reality as being materially real for access to female single sex provisions been EXACTLY like the far right campaign about limiting legal migration?

You woman are a tool of the patriarchy yet me, a man im so oppressed.

Its like Monty Python in here today.

Yes, in different countries different men are the oppressor class.

I, and I assume most people here, live in the UK where it is cis white men.

I have already explained that.

No, the oppressor class is men, including so called “transsexual women”.

"Fuck right off! You are not a sacred caste, immune from criticism. You are part of the male class of people just as capable of oppressing women as any other man. You don’t get a free pass because you have a trans identity."

Apparently this group feel they do.

They don't seem to understand how offensive it is to identify as an oppressor into an oppressor class that has very clear biologically defined boundaries that will remain unchanged.

By all means they might be an oppressed sub group of male people, but they certainly have not moved out of that group of oppressors, just like no other sub group of male people have moved out of that group of oppressors when it comes to describing the oppressors of female people.

Quite!

No.

You have not.

If you think that your hyperbolic and incoherent post was a clear and detailed explanation, then I guess you will always lack credibility in your claims.

All races of men are the oppressors of women. I don’t think white men oppress women and girls any more or less than any other race of men.

Where?

yes, it feels like a Python skit.

In ALL countries MALE people are the oppressor class.

That there might be different sub groups of male people that are oppressed by other male people does not move those male people out of the oppressor class when it comes to the oppression of female people.

Literally in the exact comment they were replying to.

I have, you just don't want to accept that the far right is using you.

Literally you didn't.

The floor is yours. Explain it again.

No, your post was an incoherent rant about something you don’t even understand.

You have not given a coherent explanation at all .. You have thrown together hyperbole and ad hominem comments without addressing the issue clearly at all.

You then attached an article from the USA when we are talking about the situation here in the UK. And the article similarly does not clearly discuss what you claimed.

What by copy pasting the same paragraph? Sure:

The far right is using you just like they use working class people. The far right has picked a minority group (Trans people and Migrants) to distract people from their crusade against women, and against working class people. By falling for their trap you are integral to the far rights undermining of women's rights and their upholding of the rich.

You really seem to be incoherent with your claims at this stage.

I will repeat again that radical feminists have been discussing this and campaigning about this for decades. Your dismissal of this history does not change material reality.

Your ad hominem attacks also do not change material reality.

You threw together an incoherent rant that did not explain even adequately why anyone should believe your claim of:

"It is the EXACT same thing the far right do against migrants with the working class."

On this thread so far, you have simply thrown links at people declaring that those links are relevant and coherently support your many claims. You don't seem to be able to defend your claims at all though. Are you just repeating things that you have found compelling yourself on the internet without actually understanding with any depth the information you have considered strong and compelling?

You’re just demonstrating how little you know about this site and the women here. It’s not in your gift, as a man, to bestow the title of feminist on women or take it away. But how telling that you think it is.

' Oh no it isn't '

To borrow some of your words from upthread: you need to stop infantilising women

We know our own minds
We know our own history
We know our own experience
We know what represents a threat to us