Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

[ImTooMessyButImTooClean]

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

“My removal from the international women’s day event by the police.

I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the council, asked me to leave for asking questions.

I have footage of every interaction that I will upload later so you can see what those questions were and you can judge for yourself.”

Both work but never "in der Kindergarten" despite it being "der Kindergarten". If it were a school (die Schule) however rather than a Kindergarten it would be "in der Schule".

I suppose because it's respectful to use a person's preferred pronouns? I've gone through phases of having very short, buzzed hair and I rarely dress in a stereotypically feminine way but even then I would not want to be referred to as he/him/they/them rather than she/her because I am she/her/female, both biologically and as an identity.

Then why does he use female sex-based provisions?

FEMALE is NOT a GENDER IDENTITY it's a biological category, you cannot identify as female, your DNA identifies what your sex is, it's not a choice it's a fact. Women=Adult Human Female, your friend is not female therefore he is not a women. She is the female pronoun, your friend is not female so he is not a she.

I was a civil engineer and have a no 4 on the sides and a no 7 on top. I spent half my life on building sites. So that's the introductions sorted.

Regardless of respect, why would anyone in the street look at that video and think 'definitely a she/her'? So why do you? Is he reading this and making notes on you?

Because it's respectful to treat people with respect? Transpeople have a really difficult time of it, I suspect there are a lot of people with mental illness and/or neurodiverse conditions within their community, who are trying to change who they are to solve how they feel (whereas you or I might think 'this buzz cut makes me look masculine' but never need to take that thought further because we don't have gender dysphoria).
If any man wanted to go into a women's space to harm a woman or multiple women, I don't think he'd need to dress as a woman to do so: he'd just walk in.
I've only ever been assaulted or threatened by men that identify as men, never had an issue with transwomen.

Theres been an employment tribunal running this week where an employer’s trans inclusive policy extended to expecting women to accept trans identifying males in the open plan showers at their workplace. If you worked there, how comfortable would you feel using those showers at the same time as your friend?

He is not here. So it isn't about respect is it?

Why do you feel the need to call him 'she' when he isn't even watching or listening?

It isn't about waiting until you are assaulted or threatened personally, is it? It is about the reason we have single sex spaces in the first place.

I find this utterly bizarre. He looks and talks like a man, there is nothing about him that suggests on iota that he even might be 'identifying' as another other than a man. He is huge. He is dressed in normal male clothes. It is absolutely crazy that you are calling him 'her'

Condoning the sexist idea that the difference between men and women is fundamentally mental rather than physical is disrespectful to everyone.

Addressing people as they prefer to be addressed only works if they pick neutral or non-pre-existing terms. Addressing them as something they are not but someone else is is an act of appropriation. It is exercising social power over their target group.

You are indulging your friend's sexist ideas about men and women in the belief that his needs are more important. It is not ok.

Well, despite transwomen being in a very small minority, I have never been assaulted by a man but I have been assaulted by a transwoman. We were alone together in a single sex women's dormitory at a youth hostel, long before transwomen were allowed to use them. He was pretending to be a woman and I had just unknowingly changed into my nightwear in front of him. It wasn't a sexual assault, but it came out of the blue and was shocking enough. When the police interviewed me they told me that he had also been reported as exposing himself to a young girl in a ladies' public toilet.
I'm sure you're right that there are a lot of cases of mental illness etc, and strangely enough that doesn't make me any keener to welcome those men into women's spaces.

Mmmm . . . someone does not like something I said in my previous reply to Waheymum. Possibly how I characterised men who are "dressed as women" and/or claim to be women? Although Waheymum says that a lot of them are mentally ill and those posts have not been deleted, so I am not sure 🤔

I will try again, leaving out those bits . . .

If any man wanted to go into a women's space to harm a woman or multiple women, I don't think he'd need to dress as a woman to do so

If you want to deal in stereotypes about what people wear, is this man who goes into women's spaces "dressed as a woman"?

Not that it would matter if he was wearing a rah-rah skirt, fishnets, fake tits and high heels (rather like another man scaring women out of their wits in the same area) - he is still a man and should not be going into women's spaces.

You do not have the right to consent to his presence on behalf of other women. The fact that you think that you think that you have that right demonstrates extreme entitlement. You are not the boss of other women any more than that man is.

If you care so much about the safety of this man, go with him into The Gents. You have already made the point that a man does not have to dress up as a woman to go into The Ladies in order to harm women. So, by your logic, you will both be safer in The Gents because the men in there are not the ones who want to go into The Ladies in order to harm women.

I am not serious about encouraging you to invade men's single-sex spaces, they deserve privacy too. Just exposing the illogicality of your boilerplate transactivist arguments.

Use your brain, have some self-respect and respect for other women and stop pandering to men.

Seriously. You want women to respect men who are violating their boundaries?? Where is your fucking respect for women?? Seriously where the fuck is it?

Could you, for just one bloody second, try and drag your eyes off men and their demands and think about the women involved in this?

Women who are utterly incapable of sharing their intimate space with men.

Intimate spaces for women are designed to exclude men. Entirely deliberately. For the very reason that they need the safety, comfort, and dignity of being amongst their own sex when they are vulnerable.

Getting undressed, going to the toilet, morning sickness, having a miscarriage on the toilet, adjusting clothing after a period flood or leaking breasts.

And now you're supporting that the very spaces where women can at last be free of the male gaze should be accessed by men everywhere.

Because of course it isn't just your mate, is it!!

It's all and any man.

You're so focused on the man in this, you actually believe that women and their spaces should be repurposed to accommodate them. To the detriment of the women whose space it bloody it is.

For the love of God, and this is the second time I've had to say it this week, have some bloody self-respect. And some respect for your own sex.

Try rid yourself of the notion, at the most basic level, that it really is not women's purpose to use their places of sanctuary, safety and dignity in order to validate men's feelings. Ffs

Use your brain, have some self-respect and respect for other women and stop pandering to men.

I said exactly the same thing, without having read your post @POWNewcastleEastWallsend

This awful self abasement that some women seem to indulge in is shocking.

it really is not women's purpose to use their places of sanctuary, safety and dignity in order to validate men's feelings.

I know I'm quoting myself here.

But for the love of bloody God.

The only reason we have to have our own spaces is because of the way men behave. And now all these women fucking tripping over themselves to actually make other women use those spaces for the very men who make them necessary in the first place.

As concepts go, it's bloody horrifying.

This awful self abasement that some women seem to indulge in is shocking.

It is like feminism never happened and they have regressed to a mentality that women are mere chattels, born to do men's bidding.

Indeed. It's depressing.

So have the courage and decency to answer the question @Waheymum ; did he lie, or did you?

It's not respectful to lie to someone. It is not respectful to gaslight women to ignore our lived experience as the oppressed sex to let the oppressor class identify into our oppression and use us as props, cosplays in their fetish. That is cruelty to women. You wouldn't tell an African American they should call Rachel Dolezal a black woman. You wouldn't do it with the black race or any other oppressed group.

If any man wanted to go into a women's space to harm a woman or multiple women, I don't think he'd need to dress as a woman to do so: he'd just walk in.

And with self ID, that is ALL they have to do! And you enabling it makes it EASIER. We strengthen safeguards, we don't throw our hands in the air, give up and allow all men to enter! Lastly, it's about privacy and dignity away from the male gaze, not just safety.

So now that your initial claims have proven to be untrue you are goung a different root. Your friend was a willing participant in the exchange.

HUGE coincidence that he just happy be outside the tribunal though. And an even bigger coincidence that he happens to identify as a woman. Lord knows how KJK got so lucky as to approach this bloke (with no provocation on his part) only to discover that he identifies as a transwoman because there is no way she could have guessed that from his appearance.

From the video on X that I linked, he was standing close to the Edge of the Matrix guy, near to but not at the bus stop. The Edge of the Matrix guy turned to him and they had a conversation. This was while Kellie-Jay was standing near to both of them, where she had been interviewing someone else.

Kellie-Jay heard their conversation and, when the big fella moved closer to the bus stop while they were speaking, she stepped closer to talk to him.

x.com/judge148/status/1981375479618642085

There are several videos on YouTube of what what was happening outside the Tribunal that day so they can be checked for accuracy. My memory might well be unreliable.

Playlist of Kellie-Jay Keen's videos:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZ4DUvk41vHR0HWIyGXzj0h7fg8SqI2x

Edge of the Matrix's videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@edgeofthematrix/search?query=darlington

Darlington Nurses Tribunal
Montage of video and photos by Astitchinthesky

A small number of individual transactivists, rather than a group, turned up and stood near the bus stop at different times. Maybe three or four in total? This chap seemed to be one of them and it was not obvious at first that he was waiting for a bus. He seemed to be more interested in what was happening outside the Tribunal.

One woman had a placard and was also interviewed. I can't remember what she said except that she claimed to be non-binary and that sex is a social construct. Bizarrely, she also claimed to be a research biologist at Newcastle University and gave plenty of details about her work so I think it was (strange but) true. She was interviewed by Dawn Furness for quite a long time and I spoke to her as well. Her spiel was similar to Waheymum's but I don't think that they are the same person.

With the exception of a crazy, wild-eyed man who ran over from the bus stop and looked like he was going to attack Kellie-Jay, all the individual transactivists, including the giant in red, were friendly and happy to talk to us.

Waheymum is framing things as though the big fella was bullied or coerced into being interviewed against his will but that is not what it was like at all. There were several "citizen journalists" wandering about with microphones and cameras interviewing people and at least one TV crew (GBNews, maybe Sky were there as well?).

It was a very different atmosphere to the one we are more used to when hordes of screaming transactivists turn up to hurl abuse and make a huge racket. It was all very laid back and amiable and we all parted on very good terms after everything was over.

I've only ever been assaulted or harrassed by men-who say-they-are-women in ladies loos, never had an issue with anyone else.

That's on four occasions as a child starting when I was five.

If any man wanted to go into a women's space to harm a woman or multiple women, I don't think he'd need to dress as a woman to do so: he'd just walk in.

We always hear this argument but I think it's a load of bollocks tbh. If a paedo fancies watching the girls gymnastics team getting undressed he's probs not going to get away with just strolling into the ladies changing room at his local leisure centre. However, it's a different matter if he can just utter the magic five words "I identify as a woman".

How often this would likely happen is completely irrelevant to the question of whether we should facilitate the possibility of it happening. Like, I'm not going to play Russian Roulette just because the last ten players didn't get their brains blown out.

I don't really care about all the 'reasons' why they should be able to/the challenges they face etc if the end result is that it becomes my problem. If they're that scared of using the men's changing room then they can just dress like a normal bloke. I'd prefer that to having to open women's facilities to all men just to keep a few transwomen happy.

Might sound harsh but it's their problem not ours so it shouldn't be us that takes the hit.