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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

561 replies

ImTooMessyButImTooClean · 06/03/2026 18:02

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

“My removal from the international women’s day event by the police.

I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the council, asked me to leave for asking questions.

I have footage of every interaction that I will upload later so you can see what those questions were and you can judge for yourself.”

Kellie-Jay Keen (@ThePosieParker) on X

My removal from the international women’s day event by the police. I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the...

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 11/03/2026 15:34

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 11/03/2026 11:30

Because many of the people who share her views on the Trans issue are far right leaning, it's true. She's been tried and found guilty by association. But mostly they are simply people of the more traditional, nuclear family oriented, perhaps Christian, proudly patriotic Conservative / Republican persuasion that gets them lazily and cynically pegged as 'far right' these days, because nuance doesn't exist on the 'progressive' left.

It's that blunt instrument of 'progressive' political logic that says if every Royal Mail postbox is red, then surely everything red must be a Royal Mail postbox

The metaphorical swingometer employed by 'progressives' to determine a person's moral worth lurches very far and very fast to the right, and therefore to the Dark Side, once it ventures right of centre at all, I find. The concept of a 'moderate' or 'centre' right doesn't seem to exist any more. You are either on their side on everything, (pro-trans ideology, pro net zero, anti-police, pro Palestine, anti Israel, anti immigration control, pro-open borders, pro-DEI and critical race theory, pro-benefits increases, pro-higher taxes for 'the rich' whoever they are) or you are practically Hitler.

The irony is that many, if not most gender critical feminists would probably have considered themselves to be politically and socially liberal and left leaning before the madness of identity politics and DEI completely captured the Left. It's pushed old school, working class socialists of the Red Wall variety to the right and it's rendered many others politically homeless altogether.

The upshot of refusing to collude in the nonsense is that gender critical people have now been firmly dumped into the 'far right' camp along with anyone else who refuses to shut up and be policed for Wrong Think.

So it's true that feminists are now forced to share a platform with people they might consider to be misogynists on the issue of trans alone. But it's also interesting that many people who could previously never have imagined sitting on the same side of a debate with any right wing polemisist have had a bit of an epiphany. They've realised that many of them are much more reasonable, rational, intelligent, nuanced, tolerant and altogether more acceptable bedfellows than they previously thought.

I mean who'd have thought that Kathleen Stock would end up writing for the Times? I'm going to hazard a guess that she was a Guardian reader through and through, pre- 2021....

That's what happens when you give yourself permission to focus on what unites you rather than on what divides you. Something left wing 'progressives' are incapable of doing.

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it's also interesting that many people who could previously never have imagined sitting on the same side of a debate with any right wing polemisist have had a bit of an epiphany. They've realised that many of them are much more reasonable, rational, intelligent, nuanced, tolerant and altogether more acceptable bedfellows than they previously thought.

This was my wake-up call that my assumptions about "ordinary Americans" (as opposed to polemicists) on different sides of the Left-Right divide were way out of whack!

Documentary: Love Trumps Hate
11 Aug 2019

Video Description

At the recent Trump rally in Cincinnati, Ohio Millie Weaver challenges some of the protesters to walk with her over to see if Trump supporters are as bad as the mainstream media says. After several attempts, Millie meets Marcos, a black American, who takes her up on the challenge.

Marcos believes President Trump and his supporters are racist and that if he goes inside the event he will be attacked and told to leave. However, what ends up happening is amazing and will leave you speechless.

Shedmistress · 11/03/2026 15:36

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 11/03/2026 11:30

Because many of the people who share her views on the Trans issue are far right leaning, it's true. She's been tried and found guilty by association. But mostly they are simply people of the more traditional, nuclear family oriented, perhaps Christian, proudly patriotic Conservative / Republican persuasion that gets them lazily and cynically pegged as 'far right' these days, because nuance doesn't exist on the 'progressive' left.

It's that blunt instrument of 'progressive' political logic that says if every Royal Mail postbox is red, then surely everything red must be a Royal Mail postbox

The metaphorical swingometer employed by 'progressives' to determine a person's moral worth lurches very far and very fast to the right, and therefore to the Dark Side, once it ventures right of centre at all, I find. The concept of a 'moderate' or 'centre' right doesn't seem to exist any more. You are either on their side on everything, (pro-trans ideology, pro net zero, anti-police, pro Palestine, anti Israel, anti immigration control, pro-open borders, pro-DEI and critical race theory, pro-benefits increases, pro-higher taxes for 'the rich' whoever they are) or you are practically Hitler.

The irony is that many, if not most gender critical feminists would probably have considered themselves to be politically and socially liberal and left leaning before the madness of identity politics and DEI completely captured the Left. It's pushed old school, working class socialists of the Red Wall variety to the right and it's rendered many others politically homeless altogether.

The upshot of refusing to collude in the nonsense is that gender critical people have now been firmly dumped into the 'far right' camp along with anyone else who refuses to shut up and be policed for Wrong Think.

So it's true that feminists are now forced to share a platform with people they might consider to be misogynists on the issue of trans alone. But it's also interesting that many people who could previously never have imagined sitting on the same side of a debate with any right wing polemisist have had a bit of an epiphany. They've realised that many of them are much more reasonable, rational, intelligent, nuanced, tolerant and altogether more acceptable bedfellows than they previously thought.

I mean who'd have thought that Kathleen Stock would end up writing for the Times? I'm going to hazard a guess that she was a Guardian reader through and through, pre- 2021....

That's what happens when you give yourself permission to focus on what unites you rather than on what divides you. Something left wing 'progressives' are incapable of doing.

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Because many of the people who share her views on the Trans issue are far right leaning, it's true

The push back for women's rights against men who say they are women came from the left.

MaIeficent · 13/03/2026 03:43

Well, interestingly, Reddit have done an about turn and messaged me to say that they've reviewed my appeal and that my aforementioned post has been reinstated/my warning lifted as it wasn't actually breaking any content guidelines. 🤣🤣🤣

I got banned from the LabourUK subreddit for replying to a post on a thread where loads of people were moaning about Labour's 'transphobic' policies. The post in question was saying how the police are 'legally assaulting' TW by forcing them to be searched by officers of the opposite gender. I asked if this meant officers of the same sex which obv didn't go down well lol.

I also said that I think Self ID was the straw that broke the camel's back and how I'd once used the ladies toilet in a shopping centre to escape from a weirdo following me and call my mates who were on the next floor up. I said it's a terrifying thought that a stalker could surprise me alone in a state of undress and then proceed to remove their own clothes with the full backing of the law. Actually, I'm not surprised it rustled a few feathered panties lol.

I appealed the decision and wrote a quick response saying GC views are a protected belief and this is the LabourUK page not a transgender sub so both viewpoints should be permissible, and my view about single sex spaces is in line with UK law. There was another button next to the 'appeal' button to refer it to the DSA to check if the moderation decision was in line with EU laws around free speech/beliefs and I said I'm happy to see what they think. Didn't expect a reply tbh.

I wonder if things are slowly changing because they've been pretty much rigidly no debate before. I'm tempted to go and leave another post just to annoy the mod that deleted my original one. 🤣 Nothing inflammatory but just so they see the deleted post has been reinstated lol.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/03/2026 06:06

Well done, so it does pay to make a stand, even on the small things, thanks for calling them out. 👏

rebax · 13/03/2026 08:06

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/03/2026 06:06

Well done, so it does pay to make a stand, even on the small things, thanks for calling them out. 👏

I remember a quote from a speaker at a conference:

Culture is formed by what we accept without protest

Speak up even on the small things.

KnottyAuty · 13/03/2026 08:39

MaIeficent · 13/03/2026 03:43

Well, interestingly, Reddit have done an about turn and messaged me to say that they've reviewed my appeal and that my aforementioned post has been reinstated/my warning lifted as it wasn't actually breaking any content guidelines. 🤣🤣🤣

I got banned from the LabourUK subreddit for replying to a post on a thread where loads of people were moaning about Labour's 'transphobic' policies. The post in question was saying how the police are 'legally assaulting' TW by forcing them to be searched by officers of the opposite gender. I asked if this meant officers of the same sex which obv didn't go down well lol.

I also said that I think Self ID was the straw that broke the camel's back and how I'd once used the ladies toilet in a shopping centre to escape from a weirdo following me and call my mates who were on the next floor up. I said it's a terrifying thought that a stalker could surprise me alone in a state of undress and then proceed to remove their own clothes with the full backing of the law. Actually, I'm not surprised it rustled a few feathered panties lol.

I appealed the decision and wrote a quick response saying GC views are a protected belief and this is the LabourUK page not a transgender sub so both viewpoints should be permissible, and my view about single sex spaces is in line with UK law. There was another button next to the 'appeal' button to refer it to the DSA to check if the moderation decision was in line with EU laws around free speech/beliefs and I said I'm happy to see what they think. Didn't expect a reply tbh.

I wonder if things are slowly changing because they've been pretty much rigidly no debate before. I'm tempted to go and leave another post just to annoy the mod that deleted my original one. 🤣 Nothing inflammatory but just so they see the deleted post has been reinstated lol.

Well done. The bullying and silencing on Reddit and Wikipedia has to stop.

MaIeficent · 14/03/2026 12:07

Posters have replied and asked me to provide examples of situations where Self ID has actually lead to an increase in sexual assault. I just said that's not the point, that the absence of bad things happening thus far isn't a logical reason to take on risk. That playing Russian Roulette isn't safe just because the previous ten players didn't get their brains blown out.

Post is sitting at a nice fat -20 karma but hasn't been removed this time. 🤣

MaIeficent · 14/03/2026 12:12

And just noticed that the discussion was created by a bloke. Pretty sure it's the same poster that created a thread on here to 'politely' ask mumsnet posters why they had a problem with transfolk. Username is 'mustwinfullGaming'.

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 14/03/2026 12:19

I would love to see a trans identified male debate on TV why he thinks normal safeguarding rules should be brushed aside just for him.

I'd also like to see one of the mummies of trans-identified teenage boys do the same.

Turtlesgottaturtle · 15/03/2026 00:22

Waheymum · 06/03/2026 19:53

Good! She verbally abused a close friend of mine that happens to be transgender a while ago and really damaged my friend's mental mental wellbeing. I think there are ways to protest without verbal abuse of individuals.

I've just watched that whole video with the conversation between KJK and your friend, who is very clearly male and is built like a house. I don't think you can have watched it yourself, have you? KJK was so calm, patient and nice to your friend, recognising that he's "vulnerable". It sounds as though the people who are close to him are doing him no favours in telling him what he wants to hear, as well as doing no favours to the women in the women's toilets he uses.

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 01:21

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

However, I don't think the trans lobby have really thought this through. If they did somehow manage to get something like self ID pushed through against the wishes of the majority of women (not entirely unfeasible given what we've seen from some parties) the fact remains that we outnumber by a enormous margin. And most of us have partners/husbands who would take our side.

If it came to it, any party that let this happen could easily be voted out and it made clear that the same would happen to any other party attempting such fuckery. I doubt any would be so brave at that point. However, it hasn't impacted most women enough for them to really be too worried yet.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 01:25

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 01:21

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

However, I don't think the trans lobby have really thought this through. If they did somehow manage to get something like self ID pushed through against the wishes of the majority of women (not entirely unfeasible given what we've seen from some parties) the fact remains that we outnumber by a enormous margin. And most of us have partners/husbands who would take our side.

If it came to it, any party that let this happen could easily be voted out and it made clear that the same would happen to any other party attempting such fuckery. I doubt any would be so brave at that point. However, it hasn't impacted most women enough for them to really be too worried yet.

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

Where did you read that please?

DameAlis · 15/03/2026 01:31

MaIeficent · 14/03/2026 12:07

Posters have replied and asked me to provide examples of situations where Self ID has actually lead to an increase in sexual assault. I just said that's not the point, that the absence of bad things happening thus far isn't a logical reason to take on risk. That playing Russian Roulette isn't safe just because the previous ten players didn't get their brains blown out.

Post is sitting at a nice fat -20 karma but hasn't been removed this time. 🤣

See also "Chesterton's Fence"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 02:20

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 01:21

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

However, I don't think the trans lobby have really thought this through. If they did somehow manage to get something like self ID pushed through against the wishes of the majority of women (not entirely unfeasible given what we've seen from some parties) the fact remains that we outnumber by a enormous margin. And most of us have partners/husbands who would take our side.

If it came to it, any party that let this happen could easily be voted out and it made clear that the same would happen to any other party attempting such fuckery. I doubt any would be so brave at that point. However, it hasn't impacted most women enough for them to really be too worried yet.

No, that’s the GLP’s misinformation.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 02:21

The Equality Act applies to both service providers and workplaces. The GLP lost their legal challenge to the EHRC guidance on all counts.

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 05:34

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 01:25

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

Where did you read that please?

All seems a bit vague and circumstantial to me....

Summary of the High Court’s decision

The Court rejected the claims, and held that the interim update had accurately represented the law (and that the EqA was compatible with Convention rights).

As explained in more detail below, the Court commented that, whilst employers and service providers must comply with applicable law, neither the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 (“1992 Regulations”) nor the EqA (read in light of For Women Scotland) impose a blanket rule in relation to access to facilities such as toilets. Each situation will turn on its own facts, and organisations should be guided by “common sense and benevolence”.

In both cases, there is an expectation that biologically single-sex toilets (or individual lockable rooms available for use by all) will be provided – in workplaces, because the 1992 Regulations require some form of single-sex provision, and in other contexts because failing to make single-sex provision could give rise an indirect sex discrimination claim.

Service providers

- There is no requirement for service providers to provide toilets on a single-sex basis, but they can choose to do so if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

- Choosing not to provide any single-sex toilets might constitute indirect sex discrimination against women.

Single-sex (under the EqA) means biologically single-sex. If a service provider’s policy is to allow trans women to use the women’s toilets, those toilets are not single-sex, and:

the consequence of that is that a (biological) woman might be able to bring a claim for indirect sex discrimination against the service provider;

but the consequence is not that all biological men would also be entitled to use the women’s toilet. A (cis) man could bring a direct discrimination claim on that basis, but the question would be whether requiring him to use the men’s toilets rather than the women’s constituted “less favourable treatment”. There is a strong argument that – provided the toilets were materially similar – it would constitute “different but not less favourable treatment”. On a similar basis, a trans-inclusive women’s toilet could potentially justify excluding (cis) men on the basis that the limited provision was a “positive action” (benefitting cis and trans women) under s158 of the EqA; and the trans-inclusive toilets could still properly be labelled as “women’s” and “men’s” toilets.

- This finding was contrary to the EHRC’s interim update, which said that allowing trans women to use a women’s toilet meant that (cis) men would also be allowed to use it – but the Court held that the EHRC’s analysis was not “necessarily” wrong in all cases, and so its approach did not give rise to legal error.

- Allowing women to bring in their male children, or allowing access to male cleaners, would not compromise a facility’s single-sex status.

- If a service provider only offers toilets in the form of individual lockable rooms, it would be making adequate provision, and would not be discriminating against anyone.

- Providing only (biologically) single-sex facilities, and making no additional provision (in the form of trans-inclusive men’s and women’s toilets, mixed facilities, or individual lockable rooms) might well constitute discrimination against trans people. The EqA provides that the provision of single-sex toilets by a service provider will not constitute discrimination on the grounds of gender reassignment as long as it is a “proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim”, [4] and the Court held that the proportionality requirement “tends against a situation” where single-sex provision requires trans people to use inappropriate toilets, or no toilets at all.

- As above, requiring trans people to use unisex or individual lockable toilets (instead of single-sex facilities) is not likely to be discriminatory.

- A provider who only had space for two cubicle-style toilets – with no ability to introduce additional facilities – would accordingly risk discriminating against biological women if they operated both toilets on a trans-inclusive basis. But they would risk discriminating against trans people if they operated both toilets on a biologically single-sex basis, and made no additional provision for trans people. In many cases difficult judgement calls are likely to be required.

Status of the judgment

As a High Court judgment, the decision is binding on the lower courts and tribunals, which is where most discrimination challenges will be heard. Unless and until it is successfully appealed or overruled by a higher court, it should be treated as the most authoritative statement of the law in this area. It takes precedence over the recent decisions issued by the Employment Tribunal, for example, which are not binding.

The judgment is not intended as comprehensive guidance, and leaves gaps that the EHRC’s updated Services Code (which is still with the Minister for Women and Equalities to approve) will presumably seek to fill in due course.

It is clear that cases will continue to turn on their own facts; employers and service providers will have to think carefully about what the law requires in their particular circumstances, and where the balance of risk lies.

https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/314-governance-a-risk-articles/99799-the-high-court-on-the-ehrc-s-interim-update

The High Court on the EHRC’s “interim update”

https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/314-governance-a-risk-articles/99799-the-high-court-on-the-ehrc-s-interim-update

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 05:38

The Equality Act applies to both service providers and workplaces. The GLP lost their legal challenge to the EHRC guidance on all counts.

These bits seem to contradict that though.

There is no requirement for service providers to provide toilets on a single-sex basis, but they can choose to do so if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

Unless and until it is successfully appealed or overruled by a higher court, it should be treated as the most authoritative statement of the law in this area. It takes precedence over the recent decisions issued by the Employment Tribunal, for example, which are not binding.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 06:23

It’s pure spin that they didn’t lose on all counts. There was no “finding” that meant that the EHRC were wrong in their assessment or legal interpretation that “women only” spaces must be single sex. I’d give your source the side eye personally as they’re putting a GLP style sugar coating on it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 06:26

There has never been any positive requirement for toilets to be single sex. Nothing has changed. However the GLP judge confirmed that not providing female only might constitute indirect sex discrimination against women and girls.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 14:22

So no change and nothing "rolled back", MaIeficent. Just spin on the failed GLP case.

Compare and contrast:

House of Commons Library Research Briefing
Supreme Court judgment on the meaning of “sex” in the Equality Act 2010: For Women Scotland

Original version: 14 May 2025
Current, updated version: 11 March 2026

The URL has not changed:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10259/

Plug that into https://web.archive.org/ and go back to the earliest archived version.

Plus see this legal advice for the hospitality industry, 2 July 2025:

What Are The Implications Of The Supreme Court Decision On Biological Sex For The Hospitality Industry
Ben Stepney, Partner in the Employment team at Thomson Snell & Passmore
July 2 2025

In workplaces:

• Operators must provide sufficient single-sex toilets, as well as sufficient single-sex changing and washing facilities where these facilities are needed

• Gender neutral facilities can be provided in addition to single-sex

• Single sex facilities should be used on the basis of biological sex.

In venues open to the public:

• It is not compulsory for services that are open to the public have single-sex facilities

• Failure to provide single-sex provision could amount to indirect sex discrimination against women

• Single sex facilities must only be used on the basis of biological sex.

"The Supreme Court ruling underscores a complex tension: protecting single-sex rights for women while preventing discrimination against staff and customers.

By offering gender-neutral options, delivering staff training, engaging in stakeholder consultation, and working with legal advisors the industry can uphold compliance while maintaining a welcoming environment for all staff and customers."

Full article:
https://catererlicensee.com/what-are-the-implications-of-the-supreme-court-decision-on-biological-sex-for-the-hospitality-industry/

What Are The Implications Of The Supreme Court Decision On Biological Sex For The Hospitality Industry

What Are The Implications Of The Supreme Court Decision On Biological Sex For The Hospitality Industry - CLH News: Caterer, Licensee and Hotelier News - News for Pubs, Bars, Hotels and Restaurants

By Ben Stepney, Partner in the Employment team at Thomson Snell & Passmore (https://ts-p.co.uk/) The hospitality industry may feel as thought it has enough on its plate with rising costs, taxes and customers feeling the pinch, but operators should be a...

https://catererlicensee.com/what-are-the-implications-of-the-supreme-court-decision-on-biological-sex-for-the-hospitality-industry/

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 16:25

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 14:22

So no change and nothing "rolled back", MaIeficent. Just spin on the failed GLP case.

Compare and contrast:

House of Commons Library Research Briefing
Supreme Court judgment on the meaning of “sex” in the Equality Act 2010: For Women Scotland

Original version: 14 May 2025
Current, updated version: 11 March 2026

The URL has not changed:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10259/

Plug that into https://web.archive.org/ and go back to the earliest archived version.

Plus see this legal advice for the hospitality industry, 2 July 2025:

What Are The Implications Of The Supreme Court Decision On Biological Sex For The Hospitality Industry
Ben Stepney, Partner in the Employment team at Thomson Snell & Passmore
July 2 2025

In workplaces:

• Operators must provide sufficient single-sex toilets, as well as sufficient single-sex changing and washing facilities where these facilities are needed

• Gender neutral facilities can be provided in addition to single-sex

• Single sex facilities should be used on the basis of biological sex.

In venues open to the public:

• It is not compulsory for services that are open to the public have single-sex facilities

• Failure to provide single-sex provision could amount to indirect sex discrimination against women

• Single sex facilities must only be used on the basis of biological sex.

"The Supreme Court ruling underscores a complex tension: protecting single-sex rights for women while preventing discrimination against staff and customers.

By offering gender-neutral options, delivering staff training, engaging in stakeholder consultation, and working with legal advisors the industry can uphold compliance while maintaining a welcoming environment for all staff and customers."

Full article:
https://catererlicensee.com/what-are-the-implications-of-the-supreme-court-decision-on-biological-sex-for-the-hospitality-industry/

Edited

Just noticed that the 25 Feb 2026 Local Government Lawyer article's authors are:

Helen Fry is a Senior Associate, Suhan Rajkumar is a Partner and Thérèse Rankin is a Senior Associate and Knowledge Lawyer at Bates Wells.

They also published this on the Bates Wells website on 19 Feb 2026

Case update: Good Law Project Limited & Ors v EHRC
Posted on 19 February 2026
https://bateswells.co.uk/updates/case-update-good-law-project-limited-ors-v-ehrc/

I am right in thinking that Bates Wells is also the firm that advises the WI and Girl Guiding, who produced similarly worded weepy statements regretting that the Supreme Court judgement has forced them to recognise that women are women (WI) and girls are girls (GG)?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/03/2026 04:40

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 16:25

Just noticed that the 25 Feb 2026 Local Government Lawyer article's authors are:

Helen Fry is a Senior Associate, Suhan Rajkumar is a Partner and Thérèse Rankin is a Senior Associate and Knowledge Lawyer at Bates Wells.

They also published this on the Bates Wells website on 19 Feb 2026

Case update: Good Law Project Limited & Ors v EHRC
Posted on 19 February 2026
https://bateswells.co.uk/updates/case-update-good-law-project-limited-ors-v-ehrc/

I am right in thinking that Bates Wells is also the firm that advises the WI and Girl Guiding, who produced similarly worded weepy statements regretting that the Supreme Court judgement has forced them to recognise that women are women (WI) and girls are girls (GG)?

And the Green Party I think

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 06:07

Turtlesgottaturtle · 15/03/2026 00:22

I've just watched that whole video with the conversation between KJK and your friend, who is very clearly male and is built like a house. I don't think you can have watched it yourself, have you? KJK was so calm, patient and nice to your friend, recognising that he's "vulnerable". It sounds as though the people who are close to him are doing him no favours in telling him what he wants to hear, as well as doing no favours to the women in the women's toilets he uses.

As my friend states in the video, she does not use women's toilets; she uses disabled toilets because she's disabled. I have never seen a transwoman (at least not one that doesn't pass!) in a women's toilet. I also suspect it is still far more common for women to be assaulted by men that identify as men. Additionally, transwomen on estrogen (I imagine most transwomen) will likely find it difficult-impossible to get and maintain an erection because it blocks or cancels out testosterone so is effectively chemical castration.

334bu · 20/03/2026 07:21

So , as long as a man suffers with penile dysfunction, they are welcome in female toilets ?

KnottyAuty · 20/03/2026 07:24

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 06:07

As my friend states in the video, she does not use women's toilets; she uses disabled toilets because she's disabled. I have never seen a transwoman (at least not one that doesn't pass!) in a women's toilet. I also suspect it is still far more common for women to be assaulted by men that identify as men. Additionally, transwomen on estrogen (I imagine most transwomen) will likely find it difficult-impossible to get and maintain an erection because it blocks or cancels out testosterone so is effectively chemical castration.

You are obviously a very faithful friend and maybe the person you know is entirely “harmless” in terms of safety. However I think youre struggling to step outside of your own experience. And theres also privacy and dignity to consider.

Just because Youve not heard or experienced such things doesn’t mean they haven’t happened. Are you aware of how much information is omitted or distorted so that news reports aren’t at all clear on this?

Theres no need to take hormones or have any treatment whatsoever. Anyone can claim a trans identity and all the public policy (unlawfully) seems to say that this is enough to allow access to female spaces. Im not ok with that - you like many people assume that the chemical or physical “castration” deals with everything but it doesn’t.

Out of interest where do you stand on sports? Are you ok with two males getting to the final in a women’s competition for example?

Or the public boards in Scotland issue? If the policy is to increase women’s participation, how many of those places could be taken up by TW (displacing the females the initiative intended to help) before you’d think something wasn’t quite right?