Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

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https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

“My removal from the international women’s day event by the police.

I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the council, asked me to leave for asking questions.

I have footage of every interaction that I will upload later so you can see what those questions were and you can judge for yourself.”

I think you need to understand that being vulnerable and being dangerous are not necessarily mutually exclusive
And that one is not an excuse for the other.

What the bloody hell was that?

You do wonder how these weird people find their way here, don't you.

Also, I thought we all drank Prosecco.

Shardoney my friend, failing that peno grejio

So your friend is the same one from the video I posted on page 1? I knew it sounded familiar. Whether you know it or not, you pretty much lied about that interaction, at no point does KJK say to your friend that his mother or God hates him.

Anyway, your friend is an absolute unit (one of my brothers can comfortably reach the top of the bus shelter with his fingers and he is 6'6", so I'm guessing they're a similar height ) and I would be terrified to encounter him in a toilet, changing room or any other female only space.

I don't really care that he's "vulnerable" either, because regardless of his mental state, no matter how sweet or nice he is, nothing could ever, ever justify him and men like him, violating the consent of women and girls. We are not support animals for men who struggle with mental illness or neurodiversity.

We are not support animals for men who struggle with mental illness or neurodiversity.

Some women are happy to take on this role in life, see it as a virtue, wallow in their martyrdom or are co-dependent. It is not true friendship.

I think some of them genuinely cannot understand that their relationship is unhealthy for both parties and that other women are able to show compassion without submission and pandering.

I'd rather go for a nice glass of reeoka, myself.

We call that reeojah down our way.

Only posh people drink red wine dontcha know

I thought we were posh and white and very rich because we're all funded by JKR and the American far right?

But now we're common and wear Sports Direct leggings and wave Union Jacks?

I can't keep up

I once complained in M&S about a very non-classy wine promotion they were running because they had signs saying “Why not try our Rioja’s and Chardonnay’s” and I deplore the incorrect use of apostrophes.

Have you not met our Rioja & our Chardonnay? They're lovely girls. What was it of theirs that you were trying?

That man is clearly, unambiguously male and @Waheymum is doing him no favours by affirming him in his gender identity. He is also clearly vulnerable but that is not because of his trans identity which I suspect is a symptom rather than a cause of his vulnerability. His spouting of the lies told by TRAs/GLP etc and his general lack of understanding indicate he should probably spend to less time on the internet. His friends should be encouraging him to look after both his physical and mental health rather than telling him that he is a woman.

This absolutely bears repeating.

Almost all of the sex offenders I have worked with have been extremely vulnerable but also incredibly high risk.

This is not to say necessarily that the majority of sex offenders are vulnerable (because I generally worked with ones who were vulnerable, so I'm not commenting on the overall picture). But there is a cohort where both factors are high. In those circs, there can be a direct correlation.

If you look at assessments for sexual offending risk in teenaged males for example, many of the factors that indicate increased risk would also indicate a 'vulnerability'.

KJK's livestream today about the Nottingham Nonsense. So much "alarm and distress" in evidence 🙄

Glad to hear that someone has offered pro bono legal advice and she is going to sue the venue and the pathetic Nottingham cops.

Nottingham - everything wrong with the UK.

I had a few youtube clips to catch up on so I finally managed to watch this one of KJK today. I find this so bizarre - the treatment of LWS wims is really weird. KJK is asked to leave a venue for asking fact based questions relevant to women's services. There is loads of footage of LWS being physically intimidated and harangued by really scary crowds within only a few metres of them - and the police say that they can't do anything.

Then compare that to the footage of "freda"/Fred Wallace and "Sophie" Brooks physically intimidating and filming various people at a Battle of Ideas festival. What they were doing was genuinely alarming - were they arrested? no. did they manage to get Graham Linehan arrested? yes.

I think it is very clear that women/those with GC views are second class citizens in the eyes of the police. I hope KJK successfully sues the arse off them! It is outrageous that she was asked to leave without the police officer confirming what exactly she had done wrong and what harm had been caused. Shame that KJK lost her temper and swore at him - but I think most people would have - idiot!

Why do people claim she is far right leaning? I've seen people online referring to her as 'KKK' in a clearly derogatory fashion.

Character assignation, if you can't kill the message kill the messenger, figuratively speaking of course.

People convince themselves of lots of things on the Internet. We get them here time after time parroting the same easily debunked lies, dropping them all over the threads like a toddler showing off his filled nappy.

When people can only view the world through the lens of tribalism, where everything is polarised and catastrophed, any opinion expressed that does match their position of ‘good’ is to be vilified.

The person can then be dehumanised and things such as having tomato soup thrown, (or in the US silly string sprayed, water thrown etc) and them being intimidated with violence can be dismissed.

It also means that factual, accurate descriptions of what the person has done and said, can be ignored and inaccurate misinformation can be stated as fact or to be used to support falsehoods. It also means that a false representation can be repeated because people don’t go to original source to check.

Waheymum. I've watched the video of your friend. To your friend's credit, despite this being a distressing situation for him, he came across really well and was calm throughout. I really hope he took onboard what kjk was saying.

She asked if his mum believes he is a woman or is being kind.
Why did she ask this? Because we mothers know who we gave birth to. Some trans identifying men really do believe that because people pretend they are a woman, they genuinely see a woman in front of them. It's a dangerous belief because it could lead to behaviour that breaks the law and causes untold distress. (See Ciara Watkins)

Then when she learnt about his faith she said something like would god make a mistake? And also that she hoped he would come to be happy in the body that god had given him. That came across to me with a lot of kindness.

What she really wanted him to understand is that he must not be in women's spaces. Despite his beliefs about himself that he is vulnerable, a woman etc. (and I understand that a feeling of vulnerability may be interpreted by a man with autism as a 'feminine' feeling) it would be scary and intimidating to meet a large man in the toilet (or any man).
He seems like a gentle soul and I'm sure he wouldn't want women to feel scared by his presence. However, unlike his friends, women can't read what sort of person he is on bumping into him in an enclosed room. Staying out protects him too, from causing unnecessary stress and fear to women. He doesn't seem like the sort of person who would intentionally cause harm and might feel sad to be causing it without realising?

It makes me wonder who is more upset by KJK telling the truth: Waheymum or the gentleman in question?

Because many of the people who share her views on the Trans issue are far right leaning, it's true. She's been tried and found guilty by association. But mostly they are simply people of the more traditional, nuclear family oriented, perhaps Christian, proudly patriotic Conservative / Republican persuasion that gets them lazily and cynically pegged as 'far right' these days, because nuance doesn't exist on the 'progressive' left.

It's that blunt instrument of 'progressive' political logic that says if every Royal Mail postbox is red, then surely everything red must be a Royal Mail postbox

The metaphorical swingometer employed by 'progressives' to determine a person's moral worth lurches very far and very fast to the right, and therefore to the Dark Side, once it ventures right of centre at all, I find. The concept of a 'moderate' or 'centre' right doesn't seem to exist any more. You are either on their side on everything, (pro-trans ideology, pro net zero, anti-police, pro Palestine, anti Israel, anti immigration control, pro-open borders, pro-DEI and critical race theory, pro-benefits increases, pro-higher taxes for 'the rich' whoever they are) or you are practically Hitler.

The irony is that many, if not most gender critical feminists would probably have considered themselves to be politically and socially liberal and left leaning before the madness of identity politics and DEI completely captured the Left. It's pushed old school, working class socialists of the Red Wall variety to the right and it's rendered many others politically homeless altogether.

The upshot of refusing to collude in the nonsense is that gender critical people have now been firmly dumped into the 'far right' camp along with anyone else who refuses to shut up and be policed for Wrong Think.

So it's true that feminists are now forced to share a platform with people they might consider to be misogynists on the issue of trans alone. But it's also interesting that many people who could previously never have imagined sitting on the same side of a debate with any right wing polemisist have had a bit of an epiphany. They've realised that many of them are much more reasonable, rational, intelligent, nuanced, tolerant and altogether more acceptable bedfellows than they previously thought.

I mean who'd have thought that Kathleen Stock would end up writing for the Times? I'm going to hazard a guess that she was a Guardian reader through and through, pre- 2021....

That's what happens when you give yourself permission to focus on what unites you rather than on what divides you. Something left wing 'progressives' are incapable of doing.

It reminds me of Putin invading Ukraine with the stated aim of stopping NATO Expansion. Result : Sweden and Finland (which has a border with Russia) immediately apply to join NATO

@HeadDeskHeadDesk or you are practically Hitler.
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I've just listened to KJK reviewing the day on her Facebook channel.

It's absolutely extraordinary that a woman asking a woman's event whether or not it's woman only is escorted from the building because it causes such distress.

What happens when an event is undeniably colonised by men and their own agenda? Do these women ever think uh oh.

Or do they think that, on balance, since it's mostly women and not many men, they can play both sides against the middle and get away with it?

Because they're not getting away with it. They're getting away with it with some people, some of the time.

But they're still damaging, and excluding women. In events, organisations and groups designed specifically for women.

I don't know why their heads don't explode.

And I hope that the ejection was absolutely illegal. It's a council owned venue, so presumably the EA kicks in and she can't be ejected for a) not committing any kind of crime, and b) for holding those views.

As KJK points out, there is a definition for causing distress, and breach of the peace. And she didn't meet it.

it's so fucking tedious that women have to do this one person at a time.