What's the deal guys?

[shadesOfTeal]

I don't think this post is going to last long but what's the deal with hating trans women so much? I've been a women for 13 years of my life since 18 and it's never been a problem. Suddenly I'm not only talk of the town but also an evil man stealing everyone's rights away from them? I wasn't much of a boy as a kid anyway but. I just wanted to ask like what's the deal? Why do you hate the idea of me existing so much? What have I personally done to you that's been so bad? I feel like I need to be careful with my words because it'll be easy to accuse me of all sorts but I've done no harm to anyone. If you want to ask a trans woman some honest questions then please do, I don't usually talk about it in my day to day life and that, I'm pretty down to earth and will help you understand as much as possible. But I'd like to ask the people that hate me so much, can we ever get along? Please don't assume I'm what the internet and the media says I am though, I'm not like that at all! I just want us all to get on and I'm sick of having my life debated every 5 minutes.

I agree that publicly identified trans people are in for some challenging times in the UK. All women will be worse off for all this mess until it is unwound.

Why are a lot of the trans activist arguments tinged with racism?

You see a lot of "trans women are women, black women are women".

Why are non-white women always deemed as a different type of woman? I constantly see them separated out.

'I will state it plainly: I see similarities in the way in-group terms and phrases are shared within sex realism, with how I learned about sovereign citizen incantations. Magic words and shiboleths, oh my!'

'Yes, it's probably very obvious. I believe sex realism is a niche obsession.'

And if we make comparisons between those who support gender identity theory on MN, we get deleted. So it is really interesting that comments like this are allowed to stand and yet we cannot make similarly vile comparisons.

No, we are not repeating 'magic words and shiboleths', and we don't have a 'niche obsession'. That would be you. So this is more projection from you by that token.

You think I am racist because I am a woman who immigrated to the UK? Please tell me more.

If your life history was a female life history you would not have to be multiposting to claim it was any type of female history.

You are demanding that the word female should mean some female and some male animals. That is just not true.

So just to clarify, do you understand that you don't have the same rights as female immigrants?

This is another trope, the argument that women's rights are dependent on trans rights.

I'm a bit mystified that 'sex realism' is being described as a minority belief.

What data might point to that, other than most people being too polite to say anything in public?

Men do not share most of my experiences. I know I share very few of their's.

If my experiences have been shared by and with friends, and they are our experiences, then I guess I share experiences. You can continue to believe my experiences are whatever you wish. As you do.

Please stop force teaming female people with this hyperbole of 'All women will be worse off'.

The mess has already started to be unwound and the law is clear. As explained many times over numerous threads, the words you use to describe yourself have a legal meaning that excludes you.

All women were already 'worse' off because male people decided that they should access provisions that were only for female people to overcome the oppression through various types of discrimination of those female people. Yet, male people who have transgender identities continue to follow the behaviour of those who have oppressed female people as male people. They just don't seem to want to understand how they are doing it.

I've lost track - on what basis do you think you are a woman?

It really isn't a minority belief. It is another false representation that a group of male people cling to so they can demonise women who reject their claims that they too are female.

All the posts that would suggest imminent shunning and cold rainy days alone should anyone learn the secret internal fire burning within the gender critical soul. Maybe I was reading too much into them.

So you are an unusual man.

It does not follow that because you are an unusual man you are a woman.

Its the only way that a genderist from a white society structure can play into a understood example.

Its why the NHS had to say the man in the female ward is actually the Black woman and the woman who noticed is had to be a White woman.

Same problem with most hair colours Red head is seen as celtic but the listner has to understand the cultural concept of Ginger for the example to work.

Same way left handedness was a Christian devil thing

Try this for an introduction to a very common concept.

lawandliterature.eu/images/pdf/LegalFictions.pdf

Absolutely. It's the "you'll be sorry" argument.

You'll be sorry you asked for women's rights to be respected.

Yes, because the singling out of immigrant women as a being separate to other women, and then the inference that immigrant women are only women because of their legal migration documents.

You are just playing with words.

Its all all about you which is why you are choosing to merailed shadesOfTeals thread.

'Men do not share most of my experiences'

Not 'all' men, for sure. But your experiences are shared by a group of male people and only a group of male people. The experiences that are purely female experiences are not ones that you 'share'. But again, you share your male experiences with a group of male people who are the only ones who experience them.

You can continue to believe what you like, it doesn't mean that anyone else needs to believe your experiences represent material reality when all they do is reflect your personal subjective reality.

That annoys Dr P (a black woman)

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The word ‘human’ is under used in these discussions.

We each experience life in different ways, not only because of the events that we experience, but also because of a whole host of biopsychosocial factors that impact on how we perceive, respond and remember them.

The only experiences that are unique to females are those that can only be experienced by females, if this isn’t the case, the experience is either a human experience or a male experience.

TRAs talk a lot about males who pass as females experiencing life ‘as a woman’. In reality, their experiences are those of a male who others mistakenly think is female.

Onepost is an adult human whose experiences are shaped by being a male who seeks to be perceived as a female. Whether or not this pursuit is successful will impact on his experiences, and whether these are human or male experiences will depend on the nature of the experience and whether they are exclusive to males or not. What we can be sure of is that none of his experiences are female experiences and all of them are human experiences. Those that he thinks of as female experiences are likely to be human experiences- those that any human could experience, but he is labelling or understanding them as being unique to females.

Does the law (rather than selectively few ideologically motivated professionals and organisations) actually refer to administrative sex/gender changes as legal fiction?

All statutory documents are legal fiction, depending on the context and belief of whomever wishes to refer to a document as a legal fiction. Adoption birth certificates, as just one example.

Apparently, we are akin to far right supremicists and separatists for knowing these terms Dean. I am sure that all the legal professionals must really like that categorisation.

All this to convince women that male people can be female if they say so.

My documents are literally no different. I didn't claim refugee status, so I cannot speak to that. Nor, do I have any capacity to speak to that. Nor, was my initial statement even remotely related to requests of refugee status (mumsnet-required disclaimer, I guess)