What's the deal guys?

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I don't think this post is going to last long but what's the deal with hating trans women so much? I've been a women for 13 years of my life since 18 and it's never been a problem. Suddenly I'm not only talk of the town but also an evil man stealing everyone's rights away from them? I wasn't much of a boy as a kid anyway but. I just wanted to ask like what's the deal? Why do you hate the idea of me existing so much? What have I personally done to you that's been so bad? I feel like I need to be careful with my words because it'll be easy to accuse me of all sorts but I've done no harm to anyone. If you want to ask a trans woman some honest questions then please do, I don't usually talk about it in my day to day life and that, I'm pretty down to earth and will help you understand as much as possible. But I'd like to ask the people that hate me so much, can we ever get along? Please don't assume I'm what the internet and the media says I am though, I'm not like that at all! I just want us all to get on and I'm sick of having my life debated every 5 minutes.

Wonderfully put, Catiette! I would give this comment a bajillion "thumbs up" if I could.🙌

The plural of anecdote is not data. Misrepresenting (whether deliberately or delusionally) posts on a talk board is also not data.

What is your actual data?

I am a sex realist. I will happily walk into a field of bullocks, heifers, or cows without calves (mothers can be protective).

I would not walk into a field with a bull.

I know which is which by looking at them.

I don't think you quite understood what Capacity was referring to.

Assuming their jendah? You awful bigot.

Our marriage has survived the journey. Our children seem adjusted to the idea. My chromosomes or medical history have strangely never come up socially.

Personally, after spending some time here, I'm starting to believe everyone has done and continues to do a rather poor job of acknowledging and respecting my clear, obvious and overbearing male presense.

Oh come on, please don't play dumb. See this is why you're getting the reaction you are. You're being disingenuous and you know it. You know if you're male or female. If you went through male puberty and ejaculated, you're a biological man. And you know it. So please just stop with the evasions.

All we want, is for you to stay out of female spaces. Stay out of womens toilets, change rooms etc and sports, and we're all good. That's its. That's not too much to ask, surely. The good decent transwomen manage this ok.

Farmers are obviously well known for their sex realism.

I have none. I've never met a sex realist, so they only exist online and in small social media advertised groups of a dozen or so who travel with signs from town to town.

So, when filling in your forms, you put 'female' in the sex category on the form? Or male?

Because I put female on my visa / right of abode documents and this was accurate and not a legal fiction.

Trust us, you have: yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

Female is on all of my documents, through three countries.

Parents worry. You would know that apparently

What was that awful animated kids film where all the male cows had udders? Barnyard? They tried to claim it was meant to be funny, but at the time most people thought the animators were collectively stupid and didn’t realise (like lots of real people) that they don’t have them.

Now, it’s clear it was a trans allegory.

Wrong. You never got a period. You never grew from a girl to a teenage girl into a woman with getting your first period, being leered at, groped, bra strap pulled etc. Getting your first erection does not count. There is nothing remotely female about you. You have male lived experience. You have zero actual biological female experience.

See, this is the thing. If you just admitted you are male and cannot even understand the lived female experience, but you identify as a woman, that would be different. But it's the need for you to appropriate and colonise even the deepest female lived experience that has people pushing back. Just accept your place and back off and show some respect.

Excellent Youve got it - because no one here thinks you don’t exist! Thats your belief

But it's a lie and you know it. You are not female, and never will be. Any more than Rachel Dolezal putting African American on her documents makes her actually African American.

Children of people who are transitioners have a support group where they discuss how their consent was never sought for a huge range of things where one of the parents told them that they, the parent, was a different sex category to what they materially are.

Children have no voice in the decisions of parents who tell them that they, the parent, are the sex category that they are not. They have no option but to 'adjust'. It is important to listen to the perspective of those speaking about it.

I struggle to believe that you think this.

The overwhelming majority of people believe that there are 2 sexes that can be correctly observed at birth and that these babies will grow up to be either fertile or infertile males or females.

In schools, no-one is struggling with teaching kids who needs to use condoms and who needs san pro. This applies to even those who bend over backwards to say ‘some men get pregnant’. Even they aren’t confused about which type of human gets pregnant, they are just twisting the words used.

Oh, they were very worried when I came out. My mother was heartbroken. My father kicked me out when he learned he learned I was to have surgery.

After my surgery, we managed to work through everything and soon afterward my father became my biggest champion and has been ever since. My mother and I have been doing a get-away trip together every year for over 25 years.

But yes, they worried. Until they didn't, about this. They still worry about other things. Because they're parents.

I am talking about your rights. Do you understand that a woman who acquired British Nationality would have rights that you don't? That for the purposes of the law you are not treated as a woman?

I cannot comment on how people treat you - in general sex discrimination is illegal in the UK and people are expected to be polite, but perhaps more importantly, the thing about men is that most people are wary of offending them.

So, you knowingly wrote that you were female when you are male on your documents. And you believe that people should support you in doing that when it is clearly not accurate information.

Got it.

Some male people should be supported in having false information on their documents.

I think that 'I have none. I've never met a sex realist, so . . . . . ' was meant to parody what he assumed was our exposure to and knowledge of transgender people.

An awful lot of us started our journey away from bekindnodebate when a family member got sucked into the collective lunacy and we saw how it had damaged them.

And i've never said I got a period. I've never claimed to have gone through menopause.

I've had experiences. Some I've shared here.

I am not changing my life because a niche group feels threatened by my existence.

If you have been treated by doctors who are not sex realists, you might have a claim for malpractice.