What's the deal guys?

[shadesOfTeal]

I don't think this post is going to last long but what's the deal with hating trans women so much? I've been a women for 13 years of my life since 18 and it's never been a problem. Suddenly I'm not only talk of the town but also an evil man stealing everyone's rights away from them? I wasn't much of a boy as a kid anyway but. I just wanted to ask like what's the deal? Why do you hate the idea of me existing so much? What have I personally done to you that's been so bad? I feel like I need to be careful with my words because it'll be easy to accuse me of all sorts but I've done no harm to anyone. If you want to ask a trans woman some honest questions then please do, I don't usually talk about it in my day to day life and that, I'm pretty down to earth and will help you understand as much as possible. But I'd like to ask the people that hate me so much, can we ever get along? Please don't assume I'm what the internet and the media says I am though, I'm not like that at all! I just want us all to get on and I'm sick of having my life debated every 5 minutes.

I remember reading a thread in the trans section of reddit

A trans identified male was kicking up a fuss as they were starting at a university and had been put in the mixed sex block with a gay male room mate who was trans accepting when he wanted to be in the womens only block with a female room mate

He said he had started transitioning in the summer and admitted he didnt pass and looked male presenting

The trans thread collective was that he should go to the board of the university and complain and threaten until he was moved to the girlie halls and found a female room mate to share with as being in the mixed block was against his human rights

No thought for whether the women who chose the women only block or the female room mate he wanted had their own opinion - some poor girl should be forced to share a bedroom with him to affirm him as he was more important.

This is the self centred crap some of your trans siblings believe

When you come with an olive branch that in its first post starts accusing us of hating you and by page two you’re outright telling lies that you don’t know the answer to the simple question of whether you’re biologically a man how do you expect to get any engagment? You know you’re biologically a man, and stop gaslighting us if you want to have a proper discussion on this topic.

Just a reminder that TRAs like Press for Change have been pushing for this blurring of the boundaries between those nice harmless transwomen who we never noticed in the women's loos (really?) and the fetishistic crossdressers for a long, long time.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

Despite the thread title, that thread documents what was going on even earlier than 2007. PfC and others were working towards this back in the 90s (maybe even earlier).

It's clear that including any man who wanted it to be included under the trans umbrella was their aim.

Children caught up in this, like Jazz Jennings, are just some of the collateral damage of the push for "acceptance" for this men's sexual rights movement. The idea of the "trans child" was pushed, perhaps even invented by the TRAs, to gain sympathy and to bolster their claim that they were "born that way" and that their "identity" is not sexually motivated.

And as for those nice harmless transsexuals of old, remember that after his death, Jan Morris turned out to be just another heterosexual man with children who transitioned in middle age and treated his wife and daughter appallingly. He never really saw himself as a woman and neither did others who knew him.

Trans was acknowledged for what it is for years - people who wanted to be seen as the opposite sex, mainly men wanting to be seen women.

It wasnt something that touched a lot of womens public lives, because it is so linked to male sexuality. And was either between men, or preformed in private. If it was in public, there wasnt the demand that everyone had to affirm. We could politely ignore.

But just as the individual man would escalate in their behaviour- going from occasional cross dressing in private, to full time in public, the movement escalated too. Rather than something we could politely ignore, the men demanded to be centred. We had to affirm and prioritise their sexuality. If we didnt affirm they became angry, but the escalation never stops and the demands become more extreme and delusional.

Basically, they want to talk about their cocks (whether surgically altered or not) but be angry when women didn't see them as female.

They became obsessed with the women who say no because they know that even if 99% of people say TWAW, the one women who says says the truth breaks the spell for them. And its far safer to be angry at women than at men. They know everyone is lying - if they were women, they wouldn't need wrong sex hormones, or surgery, or fake documents or voice training, or be obsessed about passing.

They know that the reason they 'pass' now is the promotion campaign that tell everyone that twaw, and its not that they look like women, its that they look trans. Thats the nuance they want us to humour, but not say out loud.

And as for those nice harmless transsexuals of old, remember that after his death, Jan Morris turned out to be just another heterosexual man with children who transitioned in middle age and treated his wife and daughter appallingly. He never really saw himself as a woman and neither did others who knew him.

Thats the one good thing thats happened as a result of trans awareness - the wives and families have been able to fight to get their perspectives heard.

One thing this thread has reminded me of is the importance of using the forms transman/transwoman rather than the two word version that carries a subtle implication that the person referred to might be an actual man or woman who has been transformed from another sex.

As someone who read Conundrum as a child, I have to say it didn't make a lot of sense to me at the time. Sadly it was one of very few resources published about trans people when I started to learn about this stuff. I look back now and can understand it was a travelogue rather than a person's biography.

Maybe he's one of those blokes with a humiliation kink?
They are irritating too.

I disagree that women just ‘accepted’ transwomen who were getting on with it decades ago though. I do think it was a case that there was so few that maybe women didn’t notice at the time. Because the chances were that women didn’t actually come across any.

However, consent is not transferable as most of us posting understand and if some female people gave permission to these few male people, they only gave consent on their own behalf and not any one else.

So I guess there are a couple of things about the historical recounting. Perhaps more it is more accurate to say that there were so few that in general female people did not encounter them. Maybe those who did encounter them accepted their presence. Maybe they didn’t know what to do about it because they didn’t think a crime had been committed.

None of those male people should have been accessing female single sex provisions in the first place.

The only reason to be genuinely scared of a cheek swab karyotype test is that the inevitable truth would burst the fantasy bubble.

'Man' is not an insulting word. Male is not a limiting thing to be.

Women have a right to say no.

Truth, clarity of language, simplicity and directness of expression are important.

Sex is real, gender is a fantasy illusion game a few people enjoy playing.

There's a great post to read this wet and windy morning. for you Catiette.

“And as for those nice harmless transsexuals of old, remember that after his death, Jan Morris turned out to be just another heterosexual man with children who transitioned in middle age and treated his wife and daughter appallingly. He never really saw himself as a woman and neither did others who knew him.”

🎯

Yes. Most of them really never see themselves as women, I believe. They see themselves as their specific concept of a female person.

As I have been saying on other threads, that ‘concept’ of a female person is based on a ‘near enough is good enough’ criteria in too many cases. Like declaring every cell in their body has been feminised so they are not male any longer like Samantha Kane declared on channel 4 in 2025.

That is the obvious point though. That a male constructed concept of what a female person is, is not going to be accurate. It is always also a mechanism based on them acquiring the label ‘female’.

Obviously someone who wants to spend their life role playing as something they fundamentally are not, and attempting to force others to go along with it is delusional.

Posts like this are helpful to remind me that there’s really no point attempting to reason with such people. They are not in a ‘normal’ frame of mind. You won’t get anywhere. Talking to them to understand where they’re coming from and the depths of their self absorption can be helpful, but you’ll get something out of it, they won’t.

This is why women always had to go to court. Institutional sexism meant the patent nonsense peddled by men like this got taken seriously. You cannot reason with men like this. So it was always inevitable that we’d have to use the law to bring them under control. Brava to the women who did that

Oh yes, they inevitably declare themselves at some point to be a ‘better’ type of woman. These men fundamentally dislike women as a rule

This is your belief. It is not an accurate reflection of reality.

I’m not the one living a lie

I'm not the cynic labeling someone's entire life as a lie.

You have based your life around pretending to be something you are not. That was your choice. It’s up to you to live with the consequences

LOL - point proved for you there - the delusion is strong in this one @BernardBlacksMolluscs

Indeed. Heaven knows why I’m bothering to interact with Captain ‘a woman is a man who has never penetrated anyone’

The consequences of my life choices have been shared with friends and family for decades, thank you. That you would believe someone can live a pretend life would suggest I'm in a coma or something?

Thats exactly what you are doing when you lie, cheat and try to steal women’s identity. You attempt to diminish 51% of the population and most people are now fed up of indulging these peculiar beliefs of yours. Game is over. Fashion is changing. Youve invested a lot of your time and belief in a dying (secular) religion.

How you all grabbed on to that one statement as representative of ...something? will never cease to be funny to me.

Yes, your friends and family will also have suffered the consequences of your lies

Thank you?