Reasons for not moving right like young men

[Warmlight1]

Are women put off the right because of outright boorishness and right wing female Mps who are promoted withing a very constrained patriarchy and consequently end up not making sense? Is it also to do with the ingressing on women's right by the ultra religious?
Are public services more important to women than men? Was specifically female leadership significant in New Zealand during the pandemic and ultimately safer and was that about gender?
Or something else?
Brexit?
Why is there a difference of direction?

Eh?

@Warmlight1 i've been vaguely hearing about this too

Is it applicable in this country or is it just America?

I genuinely don't know, but in this country, I can't think of an explanation why. I find it rather worrying even if it is just America.

But then a lot of what has been going on in America worries me. It's a bit more obvious there because they may feel that abortion rights are under threat from the right. But that wouldn't explain anything here in the UK.

I think the effort by Yaxley Lennon and co to occupy religious territory is a sign of a political wish to tap into religion here on the right. But I donnot think it will work here. I had someone furiously arguing with me that a nativity play shouldn't have refugees in. In the end I concluded I was talking to a bot.
One of those young women attached to the right wing loud people is going round telling other women to have babies in order to.preserve the white race. Can be googled in 'Hope not Hate'

Data show that over the last 15/20y, young women have veered a lot to the left while men stayed within the same range (1st pic shows global data).
More recently, men have veered more towards the right but not as much as women have gone to the left.
And in the UK (2nd pic, per country, UK last graph), looks like both sexes have gone quite progressive, then stabilised for men while women kept going left.

So to be fair, the story should be about young women becoming more and more progressive than about the men.

I have seen this on X where the author was arguing that it was partly due to social media, which pressures women to act even more agreeable than they already tended to be. Then it veered off into some unsavoury conclusions but the data stay, they’re surprising and I can see social media playing a role in the “be kind” culture.

So does that article imply being left is being associated with ' be kind' ?

I had actually opened a thread about it

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/5477728-has-anyone-read-this-why-young-women-moved-left-while-young-men-stayed-sane?reply=150002576
with a link to the x article.

Actually the “be kind” is from me, not sure the term is mentioned.

The rest of the article pivots from women are more pressured than ever to be agreeable bc of social media and smartphones and how it affects their political leanings (which was very interesting) to women are being lied to by social media and the modern, independent woman myth. From there as you can guess, it falls into sexist bs fast and deep.

But i wouldn’t say that young men are getting more and more right wing anymore. Especially in the UK, that wouldn’t be fair.

How about the boorishness of left wing Russel Lloyd Moyle to Rosie Duffield?
Bad behavior is apolitical.

@inkognitha I saw your thread but I couldn't take the article seriously I'm afraid

@Warmlight1 unpleasantpersonalities are available across the political spectrum so I can't really see that there's a link?

There's already a thread about this change, although in all honesty it has been going on for years.

Right back to when people first realised that incels were a real thing.

And in some way it isn't really about left and right in the old sense, but that somehow with technology men have retreated even further from being engaged with "society". But women still shouldering most of the caring responsibilities and rise in the cost of living dont see anything for them in the sort of absurd extreme capitalist notion of each for themselves.

I think some actual politicians are then imposing on this social shift their notions of a political analysis.

Forgot to add the link to thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5479340-a-fissure-between-men-and-women-is-reshaping-british-politics

I haven't been following what has been said because as seems standard know on FWR Farage bots turn out to propogandise on behalf of their leader, and discussion disappears.

But has had a lot of posts, although again in FWR it probably means it has been derailed.

But as I say it isn't a new topic, there have been articles about it for years. Some of the stories from Japan are scarey.

I dont think men saying they think women should stay home and not go out to work, is particulary right wing. I think that some men who say they are left, know that they cant say that out loud.

I dont think we should be trapped into discussing it as a left right issue.

The issue is why are so many men blaming women for being left behind, failing to adapt to a new / different society and not for instances organising themselves to find a way to change.

Instead of just sulking and blaming women.

The Right aren't & have never been interested in women's rights.

I think a lot of the move to the right is precisely because people think women’s rights are the root of all evil and if we only go back to being modest helpmeets all will be right in the world again. It’s pretty transparent.
Read an interesting NYT article about why right wing men reserve their greatest fury for women.
Left wing men aren’t much better though. Union and Billy Bragg types.
So many men just want us to be in the background serving them and shut up.

I think the abortion issue is a huge reason why young women in America have not moved rightward.

The trend seems to be that women shift rightward once they get married, because other concerns tend to arise: good schools,
safe neighborhoods, future jobs for their growing family, stable employment for their themselves and their partner. Unmarried women tend to vote as left as ever, probably
because their concerns don’t change as drastically.

Men are generally wealthier than women which makes them less likely to vote for high tax/ high spend governments.

Left wing and liberal are often mixed up but they are not the same thing.

All people can be equally obnoxious regardless of their political leanings.

I have no idea why the left has a kinder reputation as left wing regimes are not kind at all.

I will make a quick comment about Jacinda Ardern as I lived in NZ through the pandemic, and because the attitude to her in NZ isn't very well understood elsewhere. She faced misogyny, it's true, but her charisma disguises that she didn't lead a very effective government. There's no reason to believe the NZ government would have done a worse job regarding the pandemic had Bill English (National Party) been PM instead. I miss Helen Clark, the PM from 1999 to 2008. Grumpy, uncharismatic and effective and and a lot of people would have her back in a heartbeat I suspect.

Oh dear are the comments on 'your' thread not to your liking, have you stropped off to some else's thread instead. 😂

I think though - I'm familiar with Rosie Duffield obviously but I've never heard of Russell Lloyd Moyle. Isn't it about what is promoted? Within Reform for example the demonisation by the leadership of the victim of one Reform MPs domestic assault. The bullIng in plain sight of children wearing ear defenders. Pretending to know people who have died for a few quid. Sticking your finger up to the public, as education secretary. That's a very peculiarly Reform thing. So yes bad behaviour can be everywhere but the political tolerance of it varies enormously and in fact it's been adopted by reform as a political strategy. Meanwhile Andrew Gwynn a very good example of awful behaviour by the established left- is suspended and now investigated by parliament. The mantra all parties are the same just isn't true. Leaders of Reform have consistently promoted poor and degraded behaviour.

Definitely agree - there are a lot of men who want that. And it's often unconscious.

But 70% of Unison members for example are women. That's more than enough vocal.women to balance it in the context of Unison. This activism translating as more of women MPs than ever in parliament. . But there isn't a right wing equivalent. What would that be?

Increasing unmarried and separated mothers nowadays some of whom who coparent- so that upends it a bit- less investment in the traditional model- slightly different policies most likely apply- they forge their own social structures..

Agree the pay gap matters a lot- cost of living is fundamental

That's really interesting- I agree that left/ right can be reductive in discussion but the current reality is our choices aren't nuanced. We get one vote and one government. It's quite binary and it's quite either or. Surely the more discussion of that the better?

Yes nontraditional families will probably be more likely to vote left, but I have a feeling that good schools, safe neighborhoods will still be important for this cohort. I’m not aware of any statistics on this however.

I think the op must be the most inarticulate i've read on mn.
And the UK is not the USA, so no, i'm not concerned about what is happening over there.
You can blame Reform supporters however you like, but you can't get away from the simple fact that it is the Left who are shafting women's rights.

Yes I can see that's a mantra. I'm not sure if you are talking to me or about me since you have done both.
But you'd think that prominent women on the right would be more impressive if the right were such a great place to be.
Do you have an opinion on the specific issues I've mentioned?

But you'd think that prominent women on the right would be more impressive if the right were such a great place to be
actually, I find Badenoch a lot more impressive than any of the women on the left - especially Phillipson, who has cynically kicked the findings of the SC into the long grass.
The rest of it? No, I can't be bothered.