Reasons for not moving right like young men

[Warmlight1]

Are women put off the right because of outright boorishness and right wing female Mps who are promoted withing a very constrained patriarchy and consequently end up not making sense? Is it also to do with the ingressing on women's right by the ultra religious?
Are public services more important to women than men? Was specifically female leadership significant in New Zealand during the pandemic and ultimately safer and was that about gender?
Or something else?
Brexit?
Why is there a difference of direction?

I suppose that must depends on how you frame women's rights. Is 'women's rights' purely about the concept of 'equality' as it now tends to be understood - whereby women work alongside men in paid employment and recieve the same pay, and whereby men and women both share the exact same responsibilities, as they arise, in terms of the home and family etc?

Or can 'women's rights' also be framed within an acceptance of some of the innate, general, differences between the sexes such as a recognition that it is women who do the bulk of the childcare etc ( for obvious reasons, certainly when the child very small) and often want to be at home in the early years of a. child's life? If you are more accepting of the strengths families then you could maybe implement policies which support the family and the women within it.

You might also be more accepting of the right of female people to privacy and dignity in public spaces in which they may be undressed or engaged with biological function etc The left tends to want to flatten out or even deny differences between groups of people - in pursuit of 'equality'

Didn't she also typify that 'be kind', wet type of politics, which some might see as overly feminised?

The women of the left - government and establishment - are the ones fanatically shafting women less privileged than them, and trying to enforce non consensual female submission to male fantasy and fetish, actually involving requiring said women to expose their bodies and in an ideal world, submit to assault too via strip searches and intimate care.

Add that to the disaster for children with SEND - now being shafted too - the disabled, the elderly, rural workers, etc etc etc, and really at this point the 'left' merely identifies as being 'left' as we thought of it 40 years ago. In about the same way as Isla Bryson identifies as being a woman.

We don't thank God have the insane far right in this country as any serious movement, and in the US, the conservatives and even reform would be quite a long way left in their view.

Why are thinking, educated women abandoning politics, politicians and repeatedly stating in newspapers and social media that they are politically homeless? That's the real question. You can currently have five different flavours of batshit, none of whom are a friend to women. And I include the tories, who make the right noises, but do fuck all about them. At this point, it's actions not words that count. I'm personally very over listening to a lot of dishonest burble and buzzwords. My vote will go to a party when I see them actually doing something to reverse this absolute farce of country leadership.

With many prominent women on the Left ( maybe with the exception of Hillary Clinton in the U.S) and women such as Barbara Castle and Shirley Williams in the U.K - you get the impression they are partly in position just because they are female, whereas you don't get that impression so much with women who are prominent on the right. The rights seems to care more about whether the candidate shares and articulates the same vision and can hold her own than in their sex.

I mean, look at Kemi Badenoch or Condoleeza Rice, for example compared to Angela Raynor or Kamala Harris. They both are far more impressive, steely and able. Maybe because they are women who display more obvious' masculine' characteristics and have leadership qualities.

What exactly is wrong for women in the Tory Party today? This castigating of the right is as preposterous as the old mantra that the working class, non whites and gays don't belong on the right.

There's nothing wrong with women in the conservative party per se- but the oddest seem to be promoted. Well I'm thinking both historically and now. So Anne Widdecombe as home secretary for example and William Hague's odd matron thing. Theresa May and the ' hostile environment' and more recently Andrea Jenkins who was Education secretary - gesticulating at the public, - and now sitting as a reform Mayor alongside Tice and Farage whilst they dis send children - this is a very odd position to take. That Reform MP what's her name going on about Burkhas- she could have asked any questions and she picked that.
There are many moderate conservative women who could have been picked as leader but they picked Liz Truss, and a short conversation would tell you there was a lack of competance. They deliberately put her there to crash in my opinion. So it doesn't look like a good place for women.

KB needs a bit more stature and to engage with young women at some point, but she has lots of potential to incarnate a strong image of female leadership imho.

How about Phillipson then, OP?
Shall we start with an mp who is in power now, detailed with helping women, yet ignores them?
Or do still you prefer to cherry pick over the past?
There was a wonderful set of memes , of Left Wing MPs and what they had to say about Women's Rights. Perhaps someone could do us rhe favour of posting them.

I think feminism is about all these things and it's also about women as active agents rather than subjects of policy. There's no getting away from the cost of living and the material conditions of women and children's lives

Well, I guess we could have had Penny Mordaunt as leader with Maria Miller as her Deputy, and Self ID would have been law for over 7 years now.

Look at the left also not promoting their best. Are we really saying that Kate Forbes or Ash Regan are inferior in any way to Humza Yousaf and John Swinney?
Why was Sturgeon considered so highly? Because she had a laser focus on language as applied to IndyRef. That "attribute" became a massive negative first in her mismanagement of COVID lockdowns, and then her pitching in with TRA.
Do left leaning women in here really want Rayner as PM, with her radical TWAW views and author of the (un)Employment Bill that will swell the dole queues?

We're all subjects of policy, though, whether we be male or female. You cannot live in a society and not be. The question is more what policies can best support people's various interests and how you can balance that with accommodataing the rights of different indidviduals and groups. There will never be a perfect solution, though.

Women benefit more obviously from the state and public services than men do, even if most men also benefit from them.

More men than women are self employed I believe, so improvements in workers rights benefit women more than men, as women are more likely to be employees. Anecdotally, I also find amongst TU members that men often prioritise pay rises and maybe extra annual leave; whereas women are more likely to prioritise more flexible working rights, more ability to WFH etc, possibly fringe benefits like dental if it also covers their children.

Women still do most of the childcare in this country, so they see the benefit first hand of childrens centres, NHS services for children, flexible working rights, childcare provision that allows them to keep their careers, schools etc. Men also benefit from these things, and will see them if in a relationship, but it probably doesn't hit them in quite the same way.

When you throw relatively high rates of divorce/family breakdown into the mix, men usually see even less of this than they do in married couples. Also, a woman with children can usually access more welfare benefits, social housing etc. Whereas the ex-husband non-resident parent may end up in a bedsit or HMO, often unable to claim anything should they become sick etc.

Older women without children at home often earn less and have smaller pensions thanks to years spent undertaking childcare, particularly if their relationship broke down and they were the resident parent. So they will be more reliant on the NHS and the state pension in old age.

All this is before you get to the 'red pill' and incel cultures and their influence on men.

So how about the role of Unison in supporting female members in a couple of prominant cases?
You know, real women?
You can chunter on about All this is before you get to the 'red pill' and incel cultures and their influence on men. but most of us aren't stupid enough to swallow it.

She did indeed. But the real issue is that her government didn't do what she promised it would, she left a big structural deficit in the finances, and - worst of all - swanned off to international acclaim which Kiwis hate. "Be Kind" is now shorthand here for well-meaning incompetence.

Maybe it is more that young women are not so open to hearing what she has to say -...... mainly because she is a Tory?

I don't find Kemi as impressive as she finds herself (who does?) but she's clearly a talented woman. Her main problem is that nobody is interested in hearing from the Conservative Party right now.

The thing about tribal leftism among young women is something American pollsters have dug into. Married women are barely more left leaning than their husbands. The Democrat advantage with women comes specifically with unmarried women with no children, who vote Democrat by Putin-style margins.

One might put that down to the abortion issue, but you find a similar thing in the UK, where abortion really doesn't figure as a partisan issue. We're at the point where half of young women seem minded to vote for Zack Polanski, which just leads me to think that female socialisation is quite a drug.

Either way the New Right aren't really interested other than to exploit 'innate' qualities by feigning shared concerns with gender critical feminists to further their agenda which is white nationalism. And white nationalism requires 'white' babies hence their heightened aversion to reproductive rights & women in the work place not to mention women of colour.

Sure, they will put a swift end to 'gender ideology' which realistically only a minuscule portion of the population is effected by for the trade off of a substantially greater cost to women.

You can't have it both ways.

What exactly is this "New Right" which espouses white nationalism? The Homeland Party? Do you have any idea how marginal those bozos are?

Ah, so that's the choice for women, trans activist egress and the diluting of their rights and language, or the alt right pivoting to some sort of racist Christian ethno nationalism tieing them to husbands and kitchen sinks?
Do you understand how nuts you sound in effectively saying only the left can save women and that means trans ideology becoming mainstream.

There's these things called 'Reform' & 'America First' which are not only mainstream but have engulfed both Right wing parties & voters both in the US & UK.

More study required here.

I don't know how to say this, but if you see Nigel Farage giving a speech, there's a good chance he's got a brown man standing next to him. That's Zia Yusuf, who is hugely popular with Reform activists and at the moment would be best placed to be Farage's successor. I don't think Zia is an advocate of white nationalism.

There are white nationalist groups in Britain. The biggest one is the Homeland Party, which has fewer than 1000 members and is led by Kenny Smith. If you've never heard of Kenny Smith, don't worry about that, because hardly anyone has.

Oh dear

goodlawproject.org/why-is-reform-suddenly-worried-about-womens-safety/

I think that women are not innately Left wing and the meaning of being Left wing has changed over the last 10 years.
The issues of Black Lives Matter issuing in DEI and also trans ideology, mass immigration and 'no borders' movement and Net Zero have all come to prominence in the recent past.

Women have radically shifted to the left, while men have largely stayed the same.

I must admit I'm a bit sceptical about calls to "oppose the far right", not only because the definition of "far right" is extremely elastic - MI5 assets "Hope Not Hate" apply it to anyone a bit more conservative than Penny Mordaunt - but also because these campaigns usually involve the unions handing over money to the Socialist Workers Party, which is the UK left's equivalent of a grooming gang.