Reasons for not moving right like young men

[Warmlight1]

Are women put off the right because of outright boorishness and right wing female Mps who are promoted withing a very constrained patriarchy and consequently end up not making sense? Is it also to do with the ingressing on women's right by the ultra religious?
Are public services more important to women than men? Was specifically female leadership significant in New Zealand during the pandemic and ultimately safer and was that about gender?
Or something else?
Brexit?
Why is there a difference of direction?

Just look at US. That is what happens when they get in, and would happen here if Farage got a chance.

Brexit was another colossal fuck up that alienated us from EU which we now need to rely on more than ever.

Just see what the far right say about women and how they treat them and you'd be an idiot to think women would align with that, even if they weren't full of empathy and voted for the society as a whole, as they do.

Either way the New Right aren't really interested other than to exploit 'innate' qualities by feigning shared concerns with gender critical feminists to further their agenda which is white nationalism. And white nationalism requires 'white' babies hence their heightened aversion to reproductive rights & women in the work place not to mention women of colour.
Sure, they will put a swift end to 'gender ideology' which realistically only a minuscule portion of the population is effected by for the trade off of a substantially greater cost to women.
You can't have it both ways.
This truly is the thread that keeps on giving.
Do you realise how deranged you sound?

Reform is predominantly built on anti immigration particularly of 'brown people'. That Farage has black 'friends' doesn't change that.

Damn those Islamophobic Muslims like Zia Yusuf and Laila Cunningham and Nadhim Zahawi...

Hilariously enough, Ben Habib's Advance UK, set up to oppose Reform as being too centrist, is literally led by a Pakistani immigrant.

"White nationalism" is really not a thing in UK politics. The Labour Party and trade union movement subcontracting out their "anti-racist" work to the SWP, in full knowledge of the SWP's long-term rape culture, is a thing. Do you have an issue with that?

Are you seriously denying Reform is anti immigrant & spreads demonising rhetoric about brown immigrants?

I notice you don't want to answer my question. I will draw my own conclusions from that.

Well this is where it all gets a bit theoretical and it's helpful to think about specifics:
Women of colour are more likely to have complications and suffer fatalities in childbirth. Thats a real thing. People who try and understand and address this could easily be labeled ' woke lefties' because of the conversations they need to have and the resources they need to pull in. No doubt Reform would find targeting black women's healthcare offensive. So which party is most likely to make that difference?
Modern constraints on women are a little more mundane than ' tying them to their husbands'
In fact it's caring responsibilities, cross generational child care - working two jobs as a norm to support a family. Deteriorating health services and the education struggle especially SEND. Adult social care being depleated.
The emphasis on trans issues- I'd see that as a political distraction to be honest, albeit trans people need to be treated properly, because much as the government can only change so much at a time, there's no real plan for any of these other things from the right.
If we got reform or some sort of reform conservative coalition, you can bet that they'd whip out care packages like crazy and shut down send education and public services left right and centre. False economy of course. The problems just get more expensive if you do not meet need. In terms of criminal justice We would end up.with even less women being believed because it costs, and the death penalty as a ' solution'.
The right is a threat but it's not just to women and a bit more than being tied to the kitchen sink.

The "new right" are vocal online beyond their actual significance. Homeland Party, Advance UK, Tommy Robinson are extremely noisy and frothy but remain totally fringe.
There's absolutely zero chance these chumps would amount to anything.
And Farage is effectively a civic nationalist that is channeling the majority centre right energy in this country.
The Woke Right/very online right are just static.
GLP? You are joking mentioning them as any reliable reference?

NZ citizens who were outside the country during covid were refused right of reentry because they were afraid they'd bring the virus in.

Making your citizens effectivly stateless and denying the most fundamental right of citizens doesn't seem all that kind to me. Though some say purity spirals are more typical of women's behaviour and I suppose that is a kind of purity issue.

That the labour party support rape culture? How so?

Farage has been demonising immigrants for years & the GLP link links his statements.

The birth rate in the UK stands at 1.4 & needs to be 2.2 to maintain replacement without immigrants. It doesn't take many brain cells to work out what this means for women.

Did you miss the "hugely popular among Reform supporters" bit.

I really think that there is an issue with many people on the left simply accepting as fundamental the idea that anyone the have been told is right wing or whatever is therefore hating anyone who isn't a white British born person. And somehow are unable to comprehend what their real beefs are at all.

The birth rate in the UK stands at 1.4 & needs to be 2.2 to maintain replacement without immigrants. It doesn't take many brain cells to work out what this means for women.
really? In your head, maybe.

And pray-tell how does Reform plan to make up the short fall given their anti immigration policies?

Yes, right of centre in the UK is almost entirely civnat.

This would be even more obvious if media stopped using Connor Tomlinson as a talking head, but I believe Connor is being quietly cancelled anyway.

Tommy is constantly on the grift, I don't see Advance going anywhere, and Homeland entertainingly imploded last year after Kenny Smith appointed a young lad to be Northern Ireland organiser with a Grindr profile who... well, let's just say if you live in Belfast and your key interest is black cock, I can't fault your optimism, but you might not be a good fit for a party that stands for white nationalism and against sexual deviancy.

Ethnats in the UK are a joke. They might have a bit more heft in the US, but in a country with a population of a third of a billion that doesn't say very much.

Strawman. It's perfectly reasonable to be concerned about immigration generally particularly in terms of sustainability & vetting hence its popularity broadly from right to centre left. But just like most people not being sexist or racist doesn't mean they don't unwittingly enable parties & their policies to implement them.

My point is this scare that Reform leads to stripping women, blacks and gays of their rights. There's no evidence at all that's on the agenda, none.
You can certainly be aware that abortion laws might change as Farage has mentioned this area, the involvement of Kruger and Orr, likely a close relationship with a possible President Vance.
Tbh, the only uncompromising language is over illegal migrants, either those arriving every day at Dover on boats, in lorries, overstaying at the end of scam study visas, and those illegals embedded in society.
These are people who have no right to be here, finally there is an option for UK voters who consider this a massive problem.
But even if you're repelled by Farage views on migration, nothing in his views here extrapolate to this scare on women, blacks, gays.
As to how he achieves this etc, yes, plenty of scope to debate.

The evidence is in history & that there's no plan (that they will tell you about) to make up the short fall in birth replacement. Right wing parties have notoriously been anti women rights & right wingers broadly blame all of societies 'degradation' on feminism. They directly tie the need for immigration to feminism. That somehow they have changed their spots is ludicrous. This is who they are.

If you would like to hear about Martin James Smith, and the many left wing women who covered for him, I have a long and interesting story to tell you.

If your view is that only left wing politics can serve women, you may not be in the market for that.

Historically, it's the left. Does that mean there aren't isolated instances of bad behaviour? No. But on balance the centre & centre left have a proven historical record because people that gravitate to the left generally believe in equality while those who gravitate to right believe in hierarchy. And that hierarchy is always the same: wealthy, white & male. They will try & pretend the hierarchy is about merit but its always the same demographic who happens to top it.

That they suddenly changed is preposterous.

"Right wing parties", you're including the Conservative Party, yes? They've "notoriously been anti women" and have "blamed 'degradation' on feminism".
As a Tory supporter over the years, I've heard some good class war arguments (and now competence ones) against them, but not this colorful list of rants.

The proof is in their policies. Where's yours?

isolated instances of bad behaviour

Allow me to tell you about Gerry Healy.

Nor was Healy particularly isolated. If you think that rapey behaviour among left wing activists is extremely rare, I have a bridge to sell you.

And, in all the cases I've been aware of, left wing women have lined up to defend the miscreants.

This is your brain on political tribalism.

Yes but...
50% of the children of families receiving benefit are male.
Men are disproportionately affected by cuts to School budgets/attending poorly performing schools. Girls are just as likely to go to those badly run schools. But on average they tend to have better educational outcomes. So inequality in how educational resources are distributed has more impact on men's future outcomes than women's. But only men at the bottom of the pile
Some would argue that unions like the TU are a left wing thing. Certainly the right to negotiate for higher pay OR other benefits comes from the left.

I could write a seperate list of the reasons the right benefits women of I wanted I suppose.

I do agree that men may well not see the benefits as much as women. But I also think that the gender divide is a little exaggerated. By far the biggest dividing line is age. I said on the other thread while young men are more likely to vote reform than women are. They are still only at 14% . And young men are still more likely to vote Green than to vote Reform.

Basically, i think it's more complicated than just gender. And it's interesting that the right (especially Reform) who claim to be the anti-dote to identity politics are so keen to bang the drum on this particular area of identity politics.

Actually, it's up to you to absolutely spell things out since you're effectively misrepresenting the party and it's intentions.
What is Farage going to do when he stops all the migrants coming here and is left only with the women already here who on average don't want more than one baby, if that, and won't be tied to the kitchen sink?
Maybe, just maybe, a country that starts growing its economy again, rewires the state to get things done, reduces it's energy costs, builds builds builds affordable housing, gets it's lost generation of Zoomers Millennials on mental health diagnostic oblivion, can create the circumstances where Brits will have way more, and affordable options, to start families.
Or maybe you're right, Andy Tate will be Minister For Women and we'll have a campaign to relive the 1950s.