The Gender war...This didn't come from the streets

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Great summary/description by
Dennis Noel Kavanagh
on X as @Jebadoo2

1/ The Gender war is a class war. Trans activism was confabulated in universities where they'd run out of things to say, it was embraced by the bourgeois management types in HR and it corrupts the same in everything from unions to blue chips. This didn't come from the streets.

2/ Trans activism is indulged and has no central heroic historical point of defiance, so it steals the gay rights claim to Stonewall because at its heart, it's dreadfully aware of just how powerful and privileged it is. It's still really the only cult that can get you sacked

3/ It's the well fed goth teenage Marxist who knows where the next meal is coming from so screams "I hate you mum and dad" before stomping off to its well appointed bedroom. It's the child no one ever said "no" to and so it looks and sounds like precisely that in adversity.

4/ So often we see the low paid nurse against the well paid management or doctor. Or the most marginalised in society who have cause to actually use a rape refuge lectured by the otherwise unemployable bourgeois management class fresh from their stonewall course on pronouns.

5/ So often we see those who oppose gender ideology reliant on crowd funds and real solidarity and union ranged against the state funded, the corporate funded, the behemoth government department or indeed the actual Scottish government in the case of FWS.

6/ Trans activism lies like a fish swims from the transubstantiation sex change foundational lie the rotten edifice sits on, but the most obnoxious lie is that it is somehow marginalised or of the streets and there is nothing more contemptuous than this pretence.

7/ Trans activism routinely hires silks to vilify nurses, it cosplays protest all the time knowing the police and government will tolerate it, so it pretends to take corners on two wheels while being on guard rails. It is well fed, well appointed, well funded and comfortable.

8/ It will never match the real marginalisation of the working class nurse who needs an area to change, a female prisoner who has no choice of cell mate or the average Scottish woman fighting her own damned government. And it knows it. This, I think, is it's greatest jealousy.

So go on. State these facts.

How do you legislate for something that is "up to the individual and their personal feelings"?

The guidelines are really for smaller organisations without resources or time to read and understand the Act. The judgement itself is actually quite straightforward and easy to understand.

Organisations are hiding behind ‘we need the guidance’ for reasons either of ideological capture or because of fear of the wrath of trans activists.

I think identity politics and intersectionality played a part too. Self expression and acceptance seem to trump almost everything. It's even evident in the rhetoric - 'bringing your whore self to work' etc.

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Behaviours aren't culturally consistent because of cultural limitations not necessarily because inherent behaviours don't exist. Women in Iran were as liberal with their attire as women in the west pre revolution. That's why when social scientists measure inherent behaviours they focus on more egalitarian countries like Sweden that have less cultural pressures & a stronger emphasis on self determination. And interestingly, these countries have shown the greatest gap in employment choices between men & women.

You really are all over the place in your arguments. One minute man or woman is subjective personal reality ( so not reality then..) another it’s based on hard, objective fact under the sciency sounding term ‘behavioural classification’.

Well being as you are a facts fan we base sex segregated spaces and services and sports not on gender identity but on sex and the hard facts of behavior or biology correlated with those sexes.

Being as those spaces are segregated due to observable facts associated with sex, not gender identity which is acknowledge is different, there is no justification for changing the segregation due to gender identity.

ChatGPT rubbish.

Looks like Howie is back.🥱

So a person with a male body living, like me, alone, driving to town yesterday, like me, and buying food, cat litter, firelighters, bunches of daffodils (yay, spring), 2 secondhand books, a secondhand copy of the Spectator Christmas double issue (all the irritation for a fraction of the price) and a vintage wine glass would become a woman.

Or maybe I became a man?

Though I suspect my stubborn insistence of paying cash at all times and in all places might mean I don't exist at all.

We seem to have several threads with all this going on.

The basic line is that the massive, massive majority of the population have no issues or difficulties at all in identifying their own and everyone else's sex.

Most of that population want sex based provisions.

A good amount of the female population require and can only access single sex provisions. These therefore cannot be disappeared by the fact that unambiguous men really want to undress with women, and enjoy experiences through being in a sex based women's space.

That was what the SCJ was about.

People are absolutely welcome to perform gender and explore gender and waffle all day, so long as the ambition is not to deprive women who need it of single sex provision, on a sexed basis. And the men with trans identities who want in that space, absolutely want those women in there on a sexed basis, because that's the backdrop that meets their needs.

So what is all this waffle about? What's the aim?

Let's be honest, it's trying to destroy women's rights in law to not be used by people obsessed with gender, and with breaking women's boundaries and access and right to say no to men who want to use them. I honestly think the second is the main aim and gender is just providing a useful vehicle.

@Gretel346 more egalitarian countries like Sweden that have less cultural pressures & a stronger emphasis on self determination

When I was there in the 90s the difference between employers acceptance of workers taking time out to do military service and workers taking time out to have babies and look after infant children (both things the workers were legally allowed to do) was a big talking point among the women.

Who were the only people having babies. They were finding it effected their promotion prospects much more than colleagues' time in the military did.

Egalitarian my arse.

Same in Germany when Germany still had conscription (which it might have again soonish).

That's because you aren't following the thread. I'll break it down for you.

Sex typical behavioural characteristics: Fact
Sex typical physical characteristics: Fact

The sex and individual identifies with more depends on which one of the above their personal subjective values relate to.

Oh, and compulsory sterilisation in Sweden was sterilisation of women for all the decades it was being used for social and eugenic control.

Egalitarian my big backside.

Identify away and have a lovely time, I don't care.

The issue on this board is tolerating single sex spaces existing for unambiguous, unconfused women and not trampling their rights and equalities and access.

That's it. So what's the point of this thread? This is a women's rights forum, not a gender theory forum.

bollox

@Gretel346 you didn't answer my questions. So I’ll repeat
why is a man’s inherent knowing he’s a woman valid but my inherent knowing Im the queen not?
is it only gender that should be subject to self identification or age, race, driving ability, height, wealth allowed to be self identifying? If not, why not?

Oh no another derailed thread of utter piffle.

Anyway, I loved Dennis, I really did. Until he went for Edie Wyatt. I am still gutted he did that.

Sweden last I checked still is a meritocratic nation so it only makes sense that relevant work experience matters more to promotion. But what Sweden do to counter the imbalance is provide flexible working hours & more generous leave for parents.

In any case that's not relevant to women in Sweden substantially differing in employment choices particularly in the caring professions.

It is a cracking article.

Excellent article. Please ignore the derailer who thinks they look clever by using bigly words.

It is.

Men can identify as whatever they like, even wombats, providing they recognise that single sex spaces are determined by a person’s gametes & chromosomes, not by their behaviour.

Is this the thread with the wombats or was that the other one?

Gretel seems to be suggesting that Gender Identity is based on some sort of basket of traits, a bit like the Consumer Price Index.

How do we pick which traits go into the basket and how do we weight them?

Liking footy +1
Liking pink -1

It's the Barbie >>> GI Joe continuum in another guise isn't it?