The Gender war...This didn't come from the streets

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Great summary/description by
Dennis Noel Kavanagh
on X as @Jebadoo2

1/ The Gender war is a class war. Trans activism was confabulated in universities where they'd run out of things to say, it was embraced by the bourgeois management types in HR and it corrupts the same in everything from unions to blue chips. This didn't come from the streets.

2/ Trans activism is indulged and has no central heroic historical point of defiance, so it steals the gay rights claim to Stonewall because at its heart, it's dreadfully aware of just how powerful and privileged it is. It's still really the only cult that can get you sacked

3/ It's the well fed goth teenage Marxist who knows where the next meal is coming from so screams "I hate you mum and dad" before stomping off to its well appointed bedroom. It's the child no one ever said "no" to and so it looks and sounds like precisely that in adversity.

4/ So often we see the low paid nurse against the well paid management or doctor. Or the most marginalised in society who have cause to actually use a rape refuge lectured by the otherwise unemployable bourgeois management class fresh from their stonewall course on pronouns.

5/ So often we see those who oppose gender ideology reliant on crowd funds and real solidarity and union ranged against the state funded, the corporate funded, the behemoth government department or indeed the actual Scottish government in the case of FWS.

6/ Trans activism lies like a fish swims from the transubstantiation sex change foundational lie the rotten edifice sits on, but the most obnoxious lie is that it is somehow marginalised or of the streets and there is nothing more contemptuous than this pretence.

7/ Trans activism routinely hires silks to vilify nurses, it cosplays protest all the time knowing the police and government will tolerate it, so it pretends to take corners on two wheels while being on guard rails. It is well fed, well appointed, well funded and comfortable.

8/ It will never match the real marginalisation of the working class nurse who needs an area to change, a female prisoner who has no choice of cell mate or the average Scottish woman fighting her own damned government. And it knows it. This, I think, is it's greatest jealousy.

So do you agree that a woman who doesn't conform to any of the regressive gender stereotypes attached to her sex is still a woman? Self determination means that she can behave as she wants and not be forced into a gendered box.

Transgender ideology would say she's a man.

You have said that there is "psychological & behavioural interchangeability between men & women", but at the same time there are "typical behaviours, interests & inclinations to either group that distinguish them from one another".
These two statements seem to contradict each other.

No they don't because that typical behaviours can be shared doesn't mean everyone shares in them.

Do you believe that it is the interchangeability between male and female behaviour or the differences in typical male and female behaviour which leads to transgenderism?

Yes I think that's a major part of it. But trans people also speak of an inherent knowing that also drives their identification with being trans.

Good post. I rarely see those crying about transwomens marginalisation dipping their hand into their pocket or even supporting or talking about the enquiry’s into the cover up by the authorities of girls being groomed by Pakistani rape gangs. Or the charities like Maggie Oliver Foundation.

Those young women have been let down by so many people in society (social workers, councillors, medics, teachers, MPs, local authorities, journalists, police etc) and their voices were truly ignored by so many people. I am guessing groomed girls are not seen as the correct type of victims by the BeKind brigade.

We all support different causes but I know people (like the 18 year old mentioned above) that are very political but clearly don’t want to even discuss groomed girls in conversation.

I think trans ideology was a top down movement rather than grass roots. The question i ask myself is why?

Oooh we’re on to “inherent knowing”! So explain exactly, without using sexist, outdated stereotypes, how a man would know he’s really a woman or vice versa and why people should take this navel gazing bollocks seriously?

Self determination means it's upto the individual to decide what being a man or woman means to them.

I think you're confusing stereotypes with typical behaviours. Trans people aren't saying that there are sex specific expectations people should subscribe to but rather that there are typical behaviours that the sexes do engage in that by virtue of their inclinations are a better fit to.

So sexist bollocks then? So is it only being a man or a woman you think people should self determine or things like race, age, wealth, job tittles, driving ability? If not, why not?

'They just know' is how trans people explain it.

I'm not trans but I suspect there's probably a biological genetic/hormonal 'hiccup' in utero why they experience a mismatch between their minds & bodies.

So we let people use spaces of the opposite sex because “they just know”? And how do we prevent people just claiming to have this “knowing” for nefarious purposes? So here’s a solution. We get rid of gender bollocks, people dress and act how they please and everyone uses the facilities relevant to their sex. Sorted.

No because sex typical behaviours are measurable facts that exist.

Name them. Go on. If they exist name some behaviours that only one sex does and no one of the other sex does. Unless of course you’re using gendered sexist stuff like women are more caring, men are more violent?

Hahaha, oh god. This again. Sex typical behaviours are measurable facts. LOL what waffle. As has been discussed here a million times, whatever is considered masculine or feminine, changes depending on the time or culture. So pink is now for girls but back in the day it was the closest to red so seem as royal and for boys. High heels were made for me. In terms of jobs coding is now seen as a male job but originally it was mainly women.

What society and culture deem.masculine and feminine CHANGE. It's clearly better to accept people can wear what they want, have the hobbies they want, the jobs they want. None of it bears and relation to your sex.

If we can measure them why don't we test trans people, no need for selfID.

Typical doesn't mean only one sex engages in the behaviour. It just means its more common to one sex that can be measured by things like consumerist, special interest or life choices.

Consumerist special interests? Like what?

So basically if a bloke likes wearing dresses and makeup, he’s still a man then, and if a woman likes rugby and cars she’s still a woman. Just like feminism states. It’s gender ideology staying if men like dresses they’re women.

Your'e conflating two different issues now. Just because somethings are alike doesn't mean we apply the same rules. The justice system is based on harm prevention so justice needs to be balanced.

Self determination means individuals decide who they are not society.

Exactly. You’ve got it. Justice abd the law cannot go on people’s feelings. That’s why UK law is that people use the facilities of their biological sex, not the facilities their inner “knowing” suggests they use.

Purchases & activities that are more common to the individual sexes.

So if I decide im the queen, I get to be the queen? If not, why not?

So again, sexist stereotypes? I’ve bought engine parts, flowers, fabric GTA games and rugby tickets. So am I a man or a woman according to your criteria?

The first bit of that doesn't really make sense. Because if everyone's definition of "woman" (or "man") is different from everyone else's, there is no justification for using the same word to cover them all. You might just as well have a single word which means "a giraffe, a bicycle or pneumonia".
A single word is only justified if all the things referred to by it have at least one thing in common. If that thing is not "having a female body," then what is it? "Identifying as a woman" isn't an answer because woman remains an undefined term. "A woman is anyone who -" what?

Do you have any examples?

Well not yet. You are getting ahead of yourself here in terms of UK law. How this interpretation applies in practice hasn't been tested in court yet let alone agreed upon in parliament. We are a long way from precedent yet.

Nope sorry. The law is the law. And always has been. Now do you have any other arguments apart from gendered bollocks and inner feels?