Transgender Refugees fleeing the USA

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/19/i-was-afraid-for-my-life-the-transgender-refugees-fleeing-trumps-america

I’m surprised that Canada isn’t being seen as a suitable option. It’s an immediate neighbour.

So far none have been given asylum.

Honestly, I have no words.

Can't read it. Any chance of giving a rough idea what it's saying?

Oh dear. Women objected to having a man in the ladies. Passports stating correct sex.
Canada is the very obvious choice but there’s little drama or martyrdom to that I guess.

Trans people fleeing the US to the Netherlands to claim asylum

(Spoiler alert: the answer so far has been NO)

I couldn't believe the point in the article where one of the trans 'refugees' directly compared their experience to people fleeing Iran and Libya: "our stories were so similar".

For Wilde, a forced return means a forced detransition. Access to hormones has already become fraught in the US, he said: “Come 2027, there won’t be access to it via government healthcare, so you’d only have it through private providers. So without the hormones, you’re basically forced to de-transition.

Dude, you can totally keep living as a man without being on testosterone ! There's no rule saying you can't be a transman if you're not on T.

More generally : those people make me cringe hard, but I'm not that surprised. I noticed, back when I was in the community, how so many of them made being trans their entire life. So the smallest molehill was indeed a gigantic mountain. Makes sense that they would ditch their entire life just because they faced some adversity, and wouldn't realise how over the top they are being and acting.

I don’t think anyone can due to the SCTA. Hardly anyone claims in Canada from US.

That struck me as well. How self centred do you have to be to believe you are experiencing the same circumstances as someone fleeing Afghanistan.

From reading the article I would imagine they have no chance of being allowed asylum since they have no evidence of direct abuse, physical violence etc.

He seems to be talking about trans people from Iran and Libya.

But I agree, I suspect their experiences might be just a little bit worse than someone from San Francisco.

I saw a lot of videos when trump got in of people trying to fundraise to move abroad as ‘trans people would be put in prison/killed’.
I can’t imagine they got the necessary funds and they’d only be able to visit on a tourist visa mostly anyway.
So I’m guessing this is their next plan.

The chances of Americans actually being granted asylum are very low, according to Marlou Schrover, a professor of economic and social history at Leiden University, who studies the Dutch immigration system.
The UN refugee convention has very strict conditions, said Shrover. Not only must a refugee prove that they faced persecution in their home country, but they must also show that they tried to get help from the local authorities but were denied protection. “And after that, you have to see if there is a safe flight alternative within your country.”
Even getting beaten up by the police is not enough: “Of course Afro-Americans might say: ‘Look, I’m beaten up in the street by police officers, so I can claim refugee status in the Netherlands’ based on this. So the claim has to be really strong.”
For a claim to be successful, the US would have to start detaining trans people for their gender identity, suggested Shrover: “If the US moves towards putting people in prison, treating them really, really bad because of their [gender identity], and with no other claim added to the reasons why they’re in prison, then the situation would definitely change.” But simply denying someone the right to put their chosen gender on their passport is nowhere near enough, she added.
The Dutch authorities are also very wary about declaring the US an unsafe country and provoking Trump, said Shrover. They think: ‘How will it look? How will the Americans respond to that? We can’t do this to our most important ally, saying that they don’t have a functioning democracy.’”

Yeah, there is something a bit morally repugnant about these people using up resources that should go to legitimate refugees whose lives are actually in danger.

The mother who'd "fled" with her trans 14 year old made my jaw drop. Maybe get your child some therapy to help them understand their feelings about their body and deal with their suicidal ideation, rather than dramatically "fleeing" across the Atlantic in order to lodge a completely spurious asylum claim.

Here's Jane's latest blog. There's...a lot going on.

https://archive.is/uNq0Q

As a software engineer, there’s nowhere better than San Francisco. It’s a tough life and Uber really hurt me and it took a long time to recover from, but my earning potential in San Francisco is consistently over $600,000/year. I see people back in SF with my background regularly making seven figures. This is mind-blowing to me, but when I left I was also at my healthiest, my wisest, and most ready to take on something as difficult as Uber was.

"I was at a kink party"

🙄

Not least:

"I also began the journey to become a parent through IVF and surrogacy"

The Telegraph carried a story a few days ago about an American man trying to claim refigee status in the UK. He failed, of course, and yet he's still here. Of course.

Anyway, he had a 22 page letter from the relevant UK authority (Home Office?) detailing exactly why his application had failed. This young man wasn't trans, but he was an African-American, middle class graduate from a comfortable background so definite similarities with the overly-imaginitive characters here.

I honestly don't understand why you can claim asylum in the country you wish to stay. Surely you should have to do it at the Embassy in your own country... and if you fail to do that - you get rejected and barred forever.
Like with visas. You don't rock up somewhere then sort your visa out... you do it before you leave.

So long as they don't come here after they've failed in the Netherlands, we got enough home grown nutters, who are already entirely influenced by the drama lama's in the USA, without them walking amongst us. 🤮

ADDICT ALERT
There is an addiction to the hormones. There is an addiction to the drama. There is an addiction to the forcing everyone else to suck it up. There is an addiction to their social status.

Addicts don't react well to the word no. They blame everyone else but themselves.

We still shouldn't cave in.

Thanks for the link to the archive of that blog. Goodness me. What a fortunate thing for the child Jane wanted to bring into the world by surrogacy that it isn't currently possible. I can't see how anybody can think that Jane is a good candidate for parenthood, especially single parenthood. Jane sounds utterly paranoid for a start. Then there's the fact that Jane was hoping to become not just a parent but a mother.

I couldn't finish Jane's verbose writings
Me me me and more me

Don't they get bored of hearing Waterloo Sunset and Lola over and over again?

I wonder if there’s tension in gay-friendly cities like San Francisco, between gay people and trans people. Especially where it comes to women only groups.

I’ve just skimmed the blog linked above, and two things jumped out - Jane really does love a communal shower, and is training hard for competitive sports in a female category. Ticked a couple of things off my bingo card.

”Arc knows how that might sound. “I hear a lot of people saying: ‘You are an idiot. You came here from America.’ People will tell me: ‘Did you think about moving to California?’”

🤐 There are some great quotes in that article, although not for the reason the journalist included them.