Transgender Refugees fleeing the USA

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/19/i-was-afraid-for-my-life-the-transgender-refugees-fleeing-trumps-america

All TRA turn discussions to toilets to avoid talking about other issues and they always skirt over the fact that it's not just about safety it's also about privacy and dignity which are protected in UK (and European) law.

I think part of the problem is that women's rights and rights concerning human dignity are an alien concept to Americans. They simply are not part of the cultural landscape, even for Democrat supporters. Not in the way that Europeans view them.

How can you conceive of such concepts with the political landscape and history of the US?

The core of socialism is this concept of human dignity and socialism is regarded with such hostility and suspicion by the entire US political spectrum.

It's 3:05pm in the afternoon here in Australia. It's boiling hot so am passing the time in a nice airconditioned house and chilling.

😂 oh right, I forgot about the whole time difference thing the world's got going on. 😂

So what you seem to be saying is, either women accept men with a trans identity into female spaces or men pretending to be women with a trans identity will try to enter female spaces? Which begs the question, before males with a trans identity demanded to use female spaces, why did this not happen? No men pretending to be a woman with a trans identity tried to enter female spaces before this whole gender Borg shitshow so I don’t think they’ll suddenly start now.

And also that men, however they identify, are not capable of staying out of women’s toilets simply because this is the right thing to do. But Skywinn doesn’t care because this doesn’t affect him.

Why would men need to take their daughters into the women’s toilets if there’s no need for them to be separate sex spaces? Why do trans-identified men need to use the female toilets? Why would any man ever need to go into a woman’s space in that case?

The argument is so garbled. Either there is a need or there isn’t - if you think there’s no need (to you) but women say there are then just leave women’s spaces alone and stay in the men’s.

I wonder when transgender support groups will start to truly support people with gender identities and stop creating this fear of persecution in any decision that seeks to uphold the needs for society on the basis of sex class. Any group that isn’t publicly saying people with transgender identities are not experiencing genocide, and there are times when sex is important to be prioritised for female people and that male people should not feel it is a personal attack on them when organisations, and society as a whole, does this is feeding this situation.

Those groups have allowed a sub section of extreme transgender rights activists to control the public discussion for too long. We have been told that they are not representative of the larger transgender population. Yet there is no alternative groups out there disrupting this ‘genocide’ and ‘persecution’ discussion.

Of course some people are going to believe that they face genocide and seek asylum. Many of them have said they would do just that, or use language like ‘fleeing’ the USA. And enough people supported and applauded them for saying so.

The fact that they don’t face genocide and that they just aren’t getting their demands fulfilled quite the way they demanded is conveniently ignored. Still, this hyperbolic language has greatly contributed to these men seeking refugee status.

I expect they choose the Nederlands because they all know about the ‘Dutch protocol’ and maybe to them the Nederlands is at the forefront of centring men with transgender identities to get exactly as they want.

100%

Even basic leadership courses teach about exploring one’s narratives, trying to make them as expansive as possible - to enable as many rotes to success as possible.

As long as those leading trans advocacy continue with their myopic focus on success equating to all trans people placed in the sex category of their choosing without question, the quality of life of trans people will continue to suffer.

Many trans people think that not being viewed / treated (by this I mean equal treatment) as the sex they want to be is the primary source of their misery. However, when they receive support for their mental health and start attending school and work, get their housing sorted, make friends and start viewing life through a wider lens, they discover otherwise.

Many TRAs misguidedly believe that all the problems in living that many of those with trans identities have will disappear in a puff of fairy dust if/ when society accepts people can change sex. They don’t recognise the many routes in to having a trans identity and how these intersect with the problems in living experienced.

The idea that the solutions lay outside of trans people is not entirely wrong, just the focus on fucking with sex categories. The solution lays in better mental health care - if this worked well, people with trans identities would be resilient to differing opinions about sex status - housing and employment discrimination etc. People who present as the opposite sex should not be Venice housing and work because of this.

It is incoherent and inconsistent, yes. The arguments also seem to lack knowledge of history and practical understanding.

However, the arguments we have seen presented seem to be a repeat of what we have seen this month on these threads. Including the bizarre belief that male people are en masse and should be taking small female children into the female toilets.

The lack of safeguarding understanding and the lack of understanding about consent continues to be consistent theme throughout the posts of the last month.

Yes its trespass. Also he is at risk of charges of harassment, voyeurism and/or indecent exposure.
The man hass no right to enter the female facilities and should wait for his daughter outside of the female facilities as you well know.
Now if you've finished squirrel chucking how about you discuss the trans asylum claims

TRAs are just as vicious towards trans people who don't conform to their narrative, as they are with non-trans people. Creating a trans support group that wouldn't support the official trans orthodoxy would be a risky endeavour. To my knowledge, there doesn't exist such a group in my country, for example. I looked for one recently, and didn't find any. Literally all the support groups parrotted the TRAs' lines, with no deviations. The only collective which goes against the grain is so small, it's literally a couple of people, so way too small to establish any kind of support group.

Those groups have allowed a sub section of extreme transgender rights activists to control the public discussion for too long.

It's the other way around: the support groups are built around the TRAs, or at least around their credo. Makes sense, too: imagine I created a support group whose mission would be, "To help people questioning their gender identify what's working wrong in their head". Not only would nobody want to join such a group, but I'd be attacked for open transphobia by the TRAs. My group would be dead before it even had a chance to exist.

So, yeah, basically, no trans support group fights the TRA narrative because no trans support group can exist if it fights the TRA narrative. It's frustrating, and I've been trying to find a fault in that circular logic, but so far I'm stumped.

I understand. I also understand it must be frustrating to you to not find a group that supports you and your needs.

In saying that though, there also doesn’t seem to be an underground group that sends out communication to MPs etc where they would have their identities protected that alerts MPs that there are people with transgender identities with needs not represented by the extremists.

Hmm, good point!

Of course, if such a group existed, and it were sufficiently underground, then by definition we wouldn't know about it ;) But I'm more of the opinion that it probably doesn't exist. I can see several reasons for that, starting with all the reasons why I myself am not involved politically, but none of this changes the fact that non-TRA trans people don't make their voices heard, and that's a problem, I agree.

I agree. I do understand why the many reason there are no other groups, and if there are small private groups they are very private.

The thing is that the harm being done seems to be unquestioned by those supporting those extremists.