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WMW · 23/01/2026 18:47

Sorry, have not RTFT, but why are they choosing Holland? One of the most right-wing govts in the EU?

And if they just want an "in" to the EU, why - again - are they choosing Holland?!

It's almost like they're fuckwits, or something.

spannasaurus · 23/01/2026 18:59

WMW · 23/01/2026 18:47

Sorry, have not RTFT, but why are they choosing Holland? One of the most right-wing govts in the EU?

And if they just want an "in" to the EU, why - again - are they choosing Holland?!

It's almost like they're fuckwits, or something.

I suspect it's because thay place asylum seekers in camps rather than hotels. The camp helps with the cosplay of being persecuted

Greyskybluesky · 23/01/2026 19:11

WMW · 23/01/2026 18:47

Sorry, have not RTFT, but why are they choosing Holland? One of the most right-wing govts in the EU?

And if they just want an "in" to the EU, why - again - are they choosing Holland?!

It's almost like they're fuckwits, or something.

Yes, I wondered this. It doesn't explain why in the article.

Is it because the Netherlands still has a laid back image? That it's an LGBTQ haven? But I don't imagine border officials are particularly laid back in any country.

WMW · 23/01/2026 19:13

spannasaurus · 23/01/2026 18:59

I suspect it's because thay place asylum seekers in camps rather than hotels. The camp helps with the cosplay of being persecuted

Could well be. He's cosplaying being a woman, now he can cosplay being a persecuted refugee as well 🙄

silverwrath · 23/01/2026 19:17

Can you claim refugee status because someone didn't use the pronouns you prefer?

WMW · 23/01/2026 19:30

silverwrath · 23/01/2026 19:17

Can you claim refugee status because someone didn't use the pronouns you prefer?

You can apparently try...

persephonia · 23/01/2026 20:19

WMW · 23/01/2026 18:47

Sorry, have not RTFT, but why are they choosing Holland? One of the most right-wing govts in the EU?

And if they just want an "in" to the EU, why - again - are they choosing Holland?!

It's almost like they're fuckwits, or something.

They aren't that right wing anymore to be fair. The far right lost ground in the last election (that they wanted). And when they were in power they weren't particularly any LGBT. They were mostly anti immigrant and specifically antiMuslim. They are still cool with brothels and all ofthat and I don't think they had much of an opinion on trans.

I mean it's still an incredibly stupid self absorbed thing to do...

Legba · 23/01/2026 21:13

I think the blog said he was 50; and about to turn pro triathlete. How many biological women turn pro at 50? And of course he wouldn't stand a chance against the male pros.

HildegardP · 23/01/2026 22:28

DrBlackbird · 23/01/2026 09:56

Completely agree about feeling sympathetic to those sold the gender lie.

Perhaps not so much for the older male except that some autistic people are so so suggestible, reactive, and susceptible to other’s comments. A careless comment by one person, can lead to life changing consequences for the autistic person. It is, however, heartbreaking for that child in the story. And it’s a tragedy for thousands of children and young adults who have succumbed to the madness of gender ideology, which is damaging their lives.

The worst to come out of this story is the sickening exploitation by The Guardian. That one time great newspaper has been ruined under Viner.

Remember that the Guardian's pivot towards flattering the priors of the dimmer sort of middleclass US students began under Rusbridger & Viner was his favoured candidate as successor.

DrBlackbird · 24/01/2026 00:16

HildegardP · 23/01/2026 22:28

Remember that the Guardian's pivot towards flattering the priors of the dimmer sort of middleclass US students began under Rusbridger & Viner was his favoured candidate as successor.

That is truly disappointing. Another hero tumbling off the pedestal. This sorry mess has taken down so many people I used to respect.

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 22:34

CervixSampler · 19/01/2026 13:58

Oh dear. Women objected to having a man in the ladies. Passports stating correct sex.
Canada is the very obvious choice but there’s little drama or martyrdom to that I guess.

What's wrong with men and women in the same toilets?

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2026 22:41

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 22:34

What's wrong with men and women in the same toilets?

Wow, you've been busy in the last six minutes.

Maybe have a read around the board first.

roseyposey · 24/01/2026 22:43

AmberSpy · 19/01/2026 14:20

Yeah, there is something a bit morally repugnant about these people using up resources that should go to legitimate refugees whose lives are actually in danger.

The mother who'd "fled" with her trans 14 year old made my jaw drop. Maybe get your child some therapy to help them understand their feelings about their body and deal with their suicidal ideation, rather than dramatically "fleeing" across the Atlantic in order to lodge a completely spurious asylum claim.

Very well said

ApplebyArrows · 24/01/2026 22:46

The Netherlands is to the left of much of Europe on most things. The recent sentiment against (non-white) immigrants isn't a good indicator of the general state of politics.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2026 22:47

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 22:34

What's wrong with men and women in the same toilets?

Marilyn Monroe Dipshit GIF
Hmm
Skywinn · 24/01/2026 22:48

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2026 22:47

Hmm

That's not really an answer. Toilets aren't safe spaces in the first places.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2026 22:49

So let's make them even more unsafe! Genius idea. I really have run out of patience with this sort of nonsense.

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 22:51

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2026 22:49

So let's make them even more unsafe! Genius idea. I really have run out of patience with this sort of nonsense.

A man entering the women's restroom isn't making anyone unsafe if he's not committing a crime. They aren't security zones, so any criminal can already go in if they wanted to. It makes no sense.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2026 23:01

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 22:51

A man entering the women's restroom isn't making anyone unsafe if he's not committing a crime. They aren't security zones, so any criminal can already go in if they wanted to. It makes no sense.

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Restroom. You're from the US. That explains a lot. We don't call them that over here. You are presumably also very young and don't remember how things were before the gender madness took hold. In the not very distant past a man entering a woman's lavatory or changing room would have stood out like a sore thumb and anybody seeing this would have raised the alarm. 'Good men stay out so bad men stand out' sums it up. This had a deterrent effect. Nowadays it doesn't because all the man has to do is to say 'I identify as a woman' and he has a free pass in many places. Women know if they complain they might end up being called bigots, publicly humiliated and getting into trouble with the law and/or their employer, professional body, gym, club etc, so a great many decide to keep stum. Girls faced with the prospect of having to use all-gender WCs at school just don't go to the loo or stay at home. Religious women who no longer have single-sex facilities to use as required by their religion are excluded further from society. Women and girls who've experienced sexual abuse are also self-excluding from these mixed sex spaces and services.

And let's not forget that this isn't all about physical and psychological safety. There's also privacy and decency. Women and girls don't want males around when they are vulnerable from being in a state of undress. Men and boys don't want females around in similar circumstances.

Pasta4Dinner · 24/01/2026 23:10

@Skywinnlots of women cannot share a bathroom with men because their religion doesn’t allow it. Do those women not count?

I don’t want to share with men, single sex bathrooms/spaces exist, so the easiest and best way forward is to continue.
And a man in those spaces makes me feel unsafe. So therefore it’s not safe.

spannasaurus · 24/01/2026 23:13

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 22:48

That's not really an answer. Toilets aren't safe spaces in the first places.

They're single sex spaces though

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 23:14

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2026 23:01

Restroom. You're from the US. That explains a lot. We don't call them that over here. You are presumably also very young and don't remember how things were before the gender madness took hold. In the not very distant past a man entering a woman's lavatory or changing room would have stood out like a sore thumb and anybody seeing this would have raised the alarm. 'Good men stay out so bad men stand out' sums it up. This had a deterrent effect. Nowadays it doesn't because all the man has to do is to say 'I identify as a woman' and he has a free pass in many places. Women know if they complain they might end up being called bigots, publicly humiliated and getting into trouble with the law and/or their employer, professional body, gym, club etc, so a great many decide to keep stum. Girls faced with the prospect of having to use all-gender WCs at school just don't go to the loo or stay at home. Religious women who no longer have single-sex facilities to use as required by their religion are excluded further from society. Women and girls who've experienced sexual abuse are also self-excluding from these mixed sex spaces and services.

And let's not forget that this isn't all about physical and psychological safety. There's also privacy and decency. Women and girls don't want males around when they are vulnerable from being in a state of undress. Men and boys don't want females around in similar circumstances.

"Men and boys don't want females around in similar circumstances." Many boys don't want to change in front of other boys either, or girls with other girls. And no one has to. I also avoid public restrooms and non cubicle changing rooms. That's my choice. Also, I specified public toilets, where ideally people shouldn't be nude to begin with. Mixed sex spaces actually predate sex segregated rooms. Men and women go to the same nude beaches and nude villages all the time. It's fine to be uncomfortable with it personally, but it's not inherently wrong for other people to do it, and it's not justification to tell other people what public places they can't go to. Many trans women are also attracted to men, so it's false to just assume their using the women's toilets must be have some evil intent. Women and men also have used each other's restroom, under some circumstances. Some men have awkwardly accompanied their young daughters into the women's room, and women also go into the men's room to skip queues.

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 23:15

spannasaurus · 24/01/2026 23:13

They're single sex spaces though

Not for any highly important reason. I don't advocate for anyone to insist they have to use one room over the other, but the fiasco that's been made over it isn't justified, and definitely not to the point where it's okay to accuse people of being predators.

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 23:17

Pasta4Dinner · 24/01/2026 23:10

@Skywinnlots of women cannot share a bathroom with men because their religion doesn’t allow it. Do those women not count?

I don’t want to share with men, single sex bathrooms/spaces exist, so the easiest and best way forward is to continue.
And a man in those spaces makes me feel unsafe. So therefore it’s not safe.

Feeling unsafe and being unsafe are two different things.

spannasaurus · 24/01/2026 23:18

Skywinn · 24/01/2026 23:15

Not for any highly important reason. I don't advocate for anyone to insist they have to use one room over the other, but the fiasco that's been made over it isn't justified, and definitely not to the point where it's okay to accuse people of being predators.

For the important reason of safety, privacy and dignity. UK law accepts that single sex exemptions are acceptable when people are in a state of undress.

Men commit 98% of all sexual offences which is a good reason to jeep them away from women in a state of undress.

I admit I have no idea what the toilets arrangements are in the Netherland asylum camps.

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