Transgender Refugees fleeing the USA

[zanahoria]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/19/i-was-afraid-for-my-life-the-transgender-refugees-fleeing-trumps-america

Many of the American refugees, like Jane-Michelle Arc, a 47-year-old software engineer from San Francisco, are transgender

Many are transgender?

And the rest?

That was the part where I started to get really angry!!
Thank god he never got to have a child 🙏🙌

So Arc is a software engineer who could easily have got a job in the Netherlands - or indeed Canada - but decided to flee the US in a panic and try to claim asylum which is almost certain to fail.In the meantime he has to live in what sounds like an absolute dump. 'Simply denying someone the right to put their chosen gender on their passport is nowhere near enough.' Well exactly. It really is about the drama isn't it. Why on earth would ICE detain him if he went back? Isn't he an American citizen? And poor Nox. The only reason America is unsuitable for trans people is because it utterly fails to provide adequate mental health services for young gender questioning children.

😂😂

Fucking hell.

So convinced he's a woman. So fucking unaware how much of the stuff he defines himself by would not be accessible to him if he actually was.

So much self righteous pain and anger, and when you read between the lines this is all about his desire to be called a woman, compete in women's sports and allowed to be in women's changing rooms and other private spaces. Apparently people objected to him at the gym not because he was in the women's spaces but because he was "a better athlete than they are" - were they perhaps women?

I'd be interested to see how his experiences and salary at Uber compare with those of equally competent women - I seem to remember Uber management having a pretty serious sexual harassment case at one point.

Iran performs forcible "sex change" surgery on gay people to "correct" them - so a gay woman "becomes" a straight man and a gay man "becomes" a straight woman.

Just slightly different.

I feel sorry for the Dutch authorities but if Jane and the others want to do this then let them get on with it.

Me neither. 😂

I also couldn’t work out why a software engineer who says he could command $600K in California couldn’t get a job in Canada, the Netherlands or one of many other countries. If it’s about time pressure because he can’t bear renewing his passport and getting one that says “male”, well, living in a refugee camp for months is one hell of a price to pay for that. Wouldn’t the rational thing to do be to immigrate to a country considered safe and apply for citizenship there, especially as the Dutch are going to deny his application and then possibly deport him, after which he risks being back to square 1?

Reminds me of the various oddballs who used to defect to the USSR including Lee Harvey Oswald.

It is just attention seeking.

Hopefully Terf Island is at the bottom of their list.

' In April last year she flew into Schiphol* *airport in Amsterdam and, sobbing, asked a customs officer how to claim asylum. “And they laughed because: what’s this big dumb American doing here asking about asylum? '

😶

I'm a bit confused how the kink party segued into a stay in a mental health ward?

While I'm not surprised at The Guardian uncritically making these people out to be modern day martyrs I do wonder if there's a secret terf running 'operation let them speak' here. If I were still a Guardian reader I would be thinking 'what the hell?' at this point. (If I hadn't done so when rapist Adam Bryson got sent to a women's prison because he put a wig on and said he was a woman.).

There are still Americans (and a few British people) "fleeing" to Russia in search of a better life. And it usually going wrong. Though I guess the American refugees fleeing the woke to go to Russia will be replaced now by Americans fleeing the great trans genocide.
I have lot of sympathy with people concerned about some of the things happening under Biden and especially with people concerned about how its going under Trump. But it takes a special kind of drama lama to move from California to a Dutch refugee camp.

Sadly with surrogacy no-one assesses if you're going to be a good parent. You just hand over the money and buy a baby.

Would you employ Arc?

Too impatient to apply for a visa to the Netherlands which if he's any good he'd have probably got. Strikes me, he's probably shit but talks himself up. This is the conclusion I'd reach if I was a potential employer. Or I'd conclude that Arc had fuck all common sense and was dangerously impulsive in going for this option which is massively problematic for an employer.

Arc instead tries to bypass the system by going for asylum. Which will be refused and likely end up in a deportation - if Arc had done any research he'd have found this out. A deportation will go on the passport he doesn't like and restrict his options for going elsewhere for any reason whether it be for business or pleasure (including to work on a visa) in future. Thus burning any potential plan B to get out the US. Again, I come to the conclusion 'fuck me this guy is a dumb ass'.

Having bummed about in the Netherlands trying to get asylum for a couple of years Arc ends up with a massive hole in his CV to explain to a future employer. If Arc tells the truth any sane employer will go 'fuck me, this one is barking and isn't a good fit for our culture because their expectations are fucking ridiculous and they'll be a nightmare'. If Arc lies and then it later comes out, Arc has cards firmly marked.

Arc has successfully ruined future employment opportunities.

But hell Arc currently gets bed and board courtesy of the Dutch government and gets fawning attention from British journalists tripping over themselves to do a pity party piece on persecuted transwomen. This is all good for Arc the shit software engineer who struggles with normal social expectations and interactions in the workplace preferring fawning and sympathy.

The article massively misses the mark of drawing attention to the horrors of the Trump administration and just makes these transwomen and transmen look like over privileged wankers with no concept of the world and a victim complex who wants to colonise the asylum seeker experience as if it gives them a new depth of authenticity of how hard done by they are. Whilst making everyone else look at them with new found disbelief and shock at the level of tone deafness they have to the experiences of actual asylum seekers.

Well done The Guardian for making this lot look like dickheads.

TBF, Trump is eyeing up Canada as the 51st (52nd?) State...

The Dutch even offer really good tax breaks for people coming to the Netherlands to work in high salary jobs! Although I think that's increasingly unpopular with actual Dutch people. But life as an "expat" on a work visa is many times better than life as an "incomer" seeking asylum. Crazy decision.

This scenario could be a great sitcom.

Every episode Jane tries to tell different campmates how he is the most oppressed person in the world.

I wonder if Glinner would fancy it?

I know. If I ever rule the world surrogacy will be banned.

Despite the lady brain, the language and construction in every sentence screams “I am male”.

Do you think this will be a good peaking article? 🤔

God i just read it- so to answer my own question, no,it wouldn't because people so blinded by Trump hate will fall for this nonsense hook line and sinker

I am 100% against surrogacy, but in fairness, you can just have sex and have a baby, without anybody assessing if you're going to be a good parent.

Perfectly true, and it's a dilemma. Most humans who have gone through puberty are capable of providing the gametes to bring another human into creation and most females can gestate a baby. If it happens naturally nobody checks whether they're likely to be a good parent. However, given that other ways of becoming a parent do exist, require extensive help from others and have a built in higher risk of things going wrong for the child, is there not a moral imperative to check before enabling someone to become a parent? In the UK people have to go through quite extensive vetting before being considered suitable to adopt. Is there any vetting at all before IVF and other fertility treatments, and for surrogacy? I thought since the Children Act came into force that children's interests are supposed to be to the fore here, but it feels like fertility clinics and surrogacy have circumvented that.