Transgender Refugees fleeing the USA

[zanahoria]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/19/i-was-afraid-for-my-life-the-transgender-refugees-fleeing-trumps-america

Back to the topic of the thread. There was a US man who tried to claim asylum in Canada and his claim was rejected

Thank you.

It’s not worth engaging with pigeons and seals on here. I don’t even read their posts any more tbh.

I specified public toilets, but again, given that men and women share nude spaces, I don't really agree with your sentiment, and there are many laws I don't agree with in the first place. You're entitled to feel however you want and be uncomfortable with what you want, but the argument that men commit more sexual crimes is not a sensible argument against men and women being in the same room or even being nude in the same public spaces. These are choices all people are free to make.

Where is the rock under which you have spent the last decade?

Edited for typo

What's your thoughts about the American man trying to claim asylum in the Netherlands?

I haven't seen any evidence of epidemics of sexual assault in toilets.

I think they should have probably just moved instead of seeking asylum.

It makes absolute sense, because being quite clear that no men are allowed in strengthens women's position in several ways:

If they see a man going into the Ladies', they know he's up to no good and can phone the police, round up some help or at the very least warn other women not to go in.

If there are several women in the toilets when he comes in, they can challenge him and/or fetch help, or get themselves out, before he does anything. Even a lone woman will know at once that he's up to no good and so may have a better chance of escaping in time.

Any member of the public who is asked for help knows that the woman who asks is in the right and that they are in the right to help her.

He has no excuse to go in and hang around until he catches a woman or girl on her own, which makes it harder for him.

If a woman or girl is caught alone and molested, unless he actually murders her, she is in a much stronger position to be believed, because he wouldn't have been in there at all unless he was up to no good.

Sweetheart.

Society is still sexist. It sucks, but there you are. Look at the crime stats, Read the realtionships board. Fucking hell, look at the first page of pornhub. Too many men feel their interest entitles them to women's attention and their desire entitles them to women's bodies. As far as they are concerned, our presence in socety is all about what they want of us. what we may or may not want for ourselves is inconsequential.

Female-only spaces (physical, cultural and social) give us a break from all that male demand. They are important to women.

Treating men and women the same only works if you start from an equal place in the first place. If you start from a sexist society and treat us the same, all you do is perpetuate it.

There has to be an "epidemic" before you think safeguarding is worthwhile does there?
Tell us, what is your threshold number of sexual assaults at which you'll deign to register any concern?

Edited for typo - must get some compressed air to this keyboard.

They can’t qualify as asylum seekers. The refugee convention is very strict. Not even women fleeing organised crime mobs that will human traffick them to be a sex slave or men fleeing the same over being turned into a drug farmer or mule qualify because the persecution and danger has to come from a government entity.

Yes the climate in the US is swinging away from transgender perks, but they aren’t nearly as impacted as all the women and girls currently being denied contraception and terminations. Women have died directly due to these new government restrictions.

They can emigrate at their own cost and apply for skilled worker visas like anyone else seeking a better life.

"If they see a man going into the Ladies', they know he's up to no good and can phone the police, round up some help or at the very least warn other women not to go in." Except this is factually untrue. Being up to no good requires intent and action. If a man is in the toilets and waits for his daughter to pee and leave, what is the crime? If a trans woman goes into the toilet, uses it and leaves, what is the crime? That is the issue here, you think it's okay to accuse people of being criminals (predators it seems) purely based on your disapproval of where they are, not on what they do. Which means you don't care about facts. Some gay men have been in the women's toilets with female friends too. Where is the criminal intent?

If a man happens to do something wrong, then that's on him. Not other men. The same would apply if a man did something predatory in the men's room. The criminal activity is the problem. Not what room people are in.

You're making a lot of generalizations on men. Believe it or not, there are going to be many men not interested in you or even thinking about you. This applies even more so if we're talking about feminine trans women who are attracted to men. What does pornhub have to do with any of that?

It’s bloody disgusting what’s happening to the rights of women and girls in the US.

How do you safeguard public toilets? They're open doors, literally anyone can go in to either room, any time. If a man is in the women's restroom, and doesn;t commit a crime, what is the issue? Discomfort alone doesn't really cut it, because people are uncomfortable with many things, it's not license to tell people what to do/falsely accuse people of crimes.

I'm fairly certain that they know that they won't be granted asylum. It's all just a game to them.

"Society is still sexist." There's sexism for both men and women, and there's countless other types of prejudice too. On the other hand, there are also lots of fickle and petty accusations of prejudice and wrongdoing. Accusing men of being predators because you disapprove of them being in a public toilet is an example of that.

Yes, if transgender immigrants qualify for asylum, then so do all women and girls in US States that have banned or heavily restricted contraception and terminations. It’s ridiculous to think transgender immigrants would qualify. Having your birth sex on your passport in no way compares to dying of sepsis because doctors cannot assist either with inducing labour or surgically to remove a fetus that has died in utero. Or giving up a baby for adoption. Or dropping out of school and trying to raise a child in abject poverty.

You have missed the point. If the rule is no men in the toilets, that includes no gay men and no trans identified men, so if they go in, they are wilfully breaking the rules and can be told to leave.

If a man went in with his little daughter, do you really think that any woman who saw him wouldn't also notice the daughter and use her common sense?

And if who uses what toilet is so unimportant, why are men so hellbent on getting into women's toilets and why are you so hellbent on enabling them? They can use the Gents' and have done with it.

@Skywinn
I don't know why people like you are obsessed with toilets.

If you want to discuss toilets, why don't you start your own thread and leave this one for the discussion about Americans seeking asylum in other countries.

Yes, a cynical and desirable part of their strange life journeys collecting increasingly extreme ‘validating’ experiences.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/refugee-transgender-united-states-persecution-1.7103455

Here's a link to a report about the American claiming asylum in Canada

The thing is, you are very invested in looking at this from the perspective of men.

To you, it seems like a really important requirement for each man (including transwomen obviously) to be considered individually as the special unique snowflake he is. The actions of other men are not his problem, so he should not be made to suffer by having his access to women restricted because of what other men did.

But you see, I'm not. I am not measuring things by what matters to men. I look at it from the perspective of women. And just as men cannot look inside women's minds to understand how much women bend and police their own behaviour to avoid angering men, women don't see inside men's minds to know which men are lovely and gentle and safe and which ones are going to be demanding and entitled and pervy.

Because while the violent and pervy ones are the ones we fear encountering the most, even the everyday entitlement of men who talk for us and over us and take up space that pushes us to the sides are harming us and reducing our power in the world. And that unfairness also matters, if you care about women as well as men.

Oh, and if you don't understand why the way women are portrayed on the 8th most visited website in the world matters, I really can't help you. Maybe you will understand when you've lived a bit more.

Mate, not one word of that post accused men in toilets of being predators. You are so worked up about what you think women are saying that you are winding yourself up reading what isn't even there.

Given TRAs tendency to compare anyone they deem transphobic to Nazis I hope he knows his history. I'm not sure that accusation would go down well with the Dutch