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Foodylicious · 2026-01-08T22:08:47+00:00

What should the position be here from the employer/organisation perspective, regarding a transwomen intermittently using these, as opposed to the single enclosed toilet (think typical disabled facility available in a supermarket/cafe) they use most of thw time, that is on the same floor/in close proximity. Edited to add: This is UK, England.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 10/01/2026 17:59

Indianajet · 09/01/2026 18:14

As so many people have quoted me, I feel I should qualify my statement - I am not worried about using toilets that are also used by men, as long as I can lock the door. Our changing cubicles at the Leisure Centre I use are used by men and women- again I am happy as I can lock the door.
I did not give any opinion on transwomen using any other facilities such as open communal changing facilities - I wouldn't use them anyway as I like my privacy from both men and women.
I apologise for using the word hysteria - I am trying to think of another word that wouldn't offend. Fuss? Agitation?
I am sad for anyone who has suffered abuse, but I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

I am not afraid of transwomen using the same toilets I do.

Congratulations on being so brave. You're a hero. Your medal is in the post.

Do you have any feeling at all for the many women and girls whose experiences of abuse or assault have made them afraid? Or all the women and girls who will have these traumatising experiences in the future? -- which will become more frequent, thanks to the helpful acquiescence of people who don't care.

needmorebooks · 11/01/2026 16:09

InfoSecInTheCity · 08/01/2026 22:24

The TW should not be using them, it’s covered under U.K. health and safety law that employers need to provide single sex provision, they can provide mixed sex facilities only if the toilet and cubicle are fully self contained.

The exact wording of the requirement for separate toilet facilities in UK workplaces is found in Regulation 20(2)(c) of the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992.

Exact Wording
"(2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1), sanitary conveniences shall not be suitable unless—
...
(c) separate rooms containing conveniences are provided for men and women except where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from inside."

Key Terms and Conditions

Definition of "Room": For a unisex facility to be legal under the exception in 20(2)(c), it must be a fully self-contained room—not merely a cubicle with open gaps at the top and bottom.
Washing Facilities (Regulation 21): A similar requirement exists for washing facilities under Regulation 21(2)(h), which mandates they be separate for men and women unless they are in a lockable room intended for use by only one person at a time.
Hand Washing Exception: The requirement for separate washing facilities does notapply to rooms used solely for washing hands, forearms, and faces.

Citation
The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, SI 1992/3004, Regulation 20(2)(c).

This is interesting. I work for a large Organisation with these toilets, we have two trainwomen, that I know use these loos. I have a feeling due the culture here, saying anything would be to my detriment

sashaymashay · 12/01/2026 06:02

needmorebooks · 11/01/2026 16:09

This is interesting. I work for a large Organisation with these toilets, we have two trainwomen, that I know use these loos. I have a feeling due the culture here, saying anything would be to my detriment

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Can you send an anonymous email to complain and copy and paste the ruling?

Retiredfromthere · 12/01/2026 08:10

Indianajet · 08/01/2026 22:31

I know I am in the .minority in here, though not in the circles I move in - I just do not get the hysteria over toilets.
I am a woman, I have granddaughters - as long as we can lock our cubicle doors I am happy.

Referring to two very recent instances of challenges and asking @Indianajet whether these are hysteria. There is a thread on here about a man who was filmed masturbating in a women's locker room. Behind a locked cubicle door with gaps below. The frantic hand movements were caught as a shadow play on the ground. He claimed to be trans when challenged after ten minutes of this behaviour. Some men do get sexually excited by women urinating on them.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5473470-5473470-trans-woman-gym-goer-caught-masturbating-in-womens-changing-room

How do you feel about your granddaughters being part of their fetish and being unable to say no.

in another thread on this board two very tall trans women (both looking like very gorgeous drag queens) were asked to leave the powder area of the ladies by several young women. They left eventually as there were several young women who insisted. The women quoted the law, one of the men issued threats against them.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5473498-men-in-womens-bathroom-at-not-all-gays-awards

This was in the UK. The masturbation case was in the US.

The idea that people just want to pee is likely true in many cases, but objecting to these outlying abuses should not be described as hysteria. It should not be difficult to complain. In both cases the security/reception staff were unwilling to intervene. I assume they have policies or training that empathise being kind.

Trans woman gym goer caught masturbating in women’s changing room | Mumsnet

I’ve included the NY Post article, the original TikTok video and an American police officer YouTuber video (Officer Tatum). This was in California (na...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5473470-5473470-trans-woman-gym-goer-caught-masturbating-in-womens-changing-room

tartyflette · 02/02/2026 13:08

Indianajet · 08/01/2026 22:31

I know I am in the .minority in here, though not in the circles I move in - I just do not get the hysteria over toilets.
I am a woman, I have granddaughters - as long as we can lock our cubicle doors I am happy.

Unfortunately the reasons why transwomen like to use female toilets are not confined to 'just wanting to pee.'
(see above posts)

Grammarnut · 02/02/2026 16:27

Indianajet · 08/01/2026 22:31

I know I am in the .minority in here, though not in the circles I move in - I just do not get the hysteria over toilets.
I am a woman, I have granddaughters - as long as we can lock our cubicle doors I am happy.

But you cannot make the decision 'to be happy' for other women who may have good reasons for wanting single sex facilities - or just don't want to share with men.

The problem with allowing TiMs into women's spaces is that a) it's illegal if the facility is female single sex b) it allows all men into women's facilities c) it is discrimnatory to allow TiMs into a facility but not non-TiMs and is thus illegal.
And you may be happy in your locked cubicle but how are you when confronted by a 6ft 2in man in a frock with an erection in the main area of the facility? How would you feel if your granddaughters were so confronted, on their own?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 02/02/2026 17:49

I am so bored now with the 'but I'm fine' posts on every thread about this. Wtf is with that?

Are you really that ill informed and unable to read? There are dozens of threads explaining the issues.
So are you really that uncaring and naive about people who are not you?
Or are you here to be intentionally annoying?

It was crass enough five years ago but at this point there's no excuse left really.

Helleofabore · 02/02/2026 18:08

Here is one for all the 'I just don't know why everyone is soooo hysterical about'....

It doesn't fucking matter if YOU don't get why women don't want spaces, the thing to understand is YOU don't get to consent on behalf of any other women.

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/2006208789578391667?s=20

Amy E. Sousa, MA Depth Psychology (@KnownHeretic) on X

Consent is not transferable.

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/2006208789578391667?s=20