Womens toilet with cubicles in the workplace

[Foodylicious]

What should the position be here from the employer/organisation perspective, regarding a transwomen intermittently using these, as opposed to the single enclosed toilet (think typical disabled facility available in a supermarket/cafe) they use most of thw time, that is on the same floor/in close proximity.
Edited to add: This is UK, England.

And homophobia as a lot of "the cool grandmummies" think that trans = gay male.

Lots of Male TRA recognise predatory males in the movement they just DGAF that they are forcing women to take on the risk by forcing mixed sex areas and removing single sex spaces.

lol. So it's only unhygienic if you can see the blood?

Another person who thinks women's biology is icky.

So it does happen to you but it’s barely visible?

So you say that you do wash off menstrual blood at the sink but it’s just not very visible…how unhygienic!

Unhygienic? Lol.
"For matters of hygiene, please ensure you wash your hands before using this hand washing facility"

So, you have never had to be in a toilet which ran out of toilet paper?

You have never had a meeting you couldn’t leave go over long so you had leakage?

You have never been in a work situation while still breast feeding and couldn’t express in time before leaking?

You have never got blood on your long sleeves and had to rinse the top of your sleeve off?

You have had to wash the trace amount of blood that you leave despite all your efforts with paper into a brightly lit white basin with shared drainage?

Well. I am pleased your life has been so predictable and easy to manage. Perhaps though you can understand that there are situations where others do not have such predictability and may end up being as ‘unhygienic as fuck’. Washing hands in a basin is exactly what the basin is there for.

Or was your intention just to shame women you disagree with?

Good Lord. Just stay out of the ladies, mate, okay?

And have a word with your fellow cohorts who keep filming themselves wanking in there.

That's not a toilet though, is it?

I know, right?

How about that! What next?

I was in a major London museum last week with unisex, lockable cubicles. Unfortunately there was a man urinating in one of them with the door wide open. I had rushed in to what I thought was the first vacant cubicle and there he was. A lovely experience, as you can imagine.

At my work, women regularly used the communal space of the toilet to get changed. Because the toilet floors were not clean.

Maybe next time he will learn to lock the door.

I remember India Willoughby absolutely outraged over women daring to have biology in their own toilets.

I really don't know what we are thinking, requiring accommodation for bodily functions, when everyone knows the only purpose of a female toilet is to validate men.

And This happens so bloody often. Barely a thread goes by without at least one woman mentioning jt.

Or he is delighted he can sex offend in public (and has no interest in the other displays)

So you don't wash your hands? You just wipe them and leave it at that?

Ugh.

true.

you reckon? (I know you don't)

Have the 'bring in the men' bunch ever heard of flashers? Do they know exhibitionism is a sexual kink? Do they know transgressive sexual kinks escalate?

Women identifying as men are welcome in the ladies. They never pass as men just as men don’t pass as women. I don’t know the % who have the fake floppy penis but I imagine it’s minuscule. They can’t get an erection.

I just looked it up and most sit on the toilet or else if they want to stand to pee they need a specific rubber device they place over their fake penis called an STP device which they would have to fit it in a cubicle anyway.

Many more women and girls than you realise have to share sinks with boys and men. Around 25% of secondary schools have a variety of mixed sex facilities, wc cubicles with outer shared sinks.

Horrible designs. Here’s some photos of typical new school toilet designs, marketed as ‘inclusive’. The cubicles are completely private so there’s no way of knowing if a child needs help.

Yeah. I realise now that I had my super optimistic hat on. It is quite something to realise that I can slip back into naivety so quickly.

Never had to deal with baby poonami all over your top.

Never had to clean puke, breastmilk or formula off your top.

Never had to rinse your little dd’s knickers out after an accident and dry them under the hand-dryer.

Never had to rinse your own knickers out after a post-natal stress or urge incontinence episode and dry them under the hand dryer.

Never helped a stranger mother struggling to juggle her baby and/or her toddler in one of those situations.

What a carefree life.

It seems this might be useful again.

Just a reminder of how female toilet spaces are used and why single mixed sex cubicles should not be accepted as the only toilets available in areas outside of very small businesses.

Toilets are not just used behind a closed cubicle door. There are quite a few aspects of female toilet usage that happen in the public space, or even now still occur with a toilet door jammed open.

Don’t forget there is the safety aspect where people may rely on the gaps under doors and walls for their safety. We already had someone mention helping a woman who was on the floor that they could see because of the gap. We have had others on other threads point out that they feel safer with gaps after being attacked in mixed sex toilets that are fully enclosed and no one could see them.

From my personal experience, here is a list.

I have had to use the toilet while having a pram / pushchair jammed into the door with groceries.

I have had to have my mum use the public toilet because the disable toilet was not available and had her wheelchair jammed in the door because I couldn't leave her sit to move it and shut the door.

I have had breastmilk leaks / children's vomit / food spilled on my clothes and needed to have an unbuttoned top to dry the top under the hand drier.

I have come across other women quite regularly washing out their tops or their skirts etc and drying them enough to put back on .

I have friends who have miscarried in toilets and needed assistance and for that to be female people to make it more comfortable.

Even with mixed sex cubicles with basins, they don’t usually have the space needed for prams. And if a woman is trying to dry themselves using a drier in the cubicle, it restricts traffic flow and causes the line to grow. Even if it is just internal pressure that she feels, there will be pressure on her to leave the cubicle quickly. In an open space she will less inclined to feel that pressure.

If you as a female person have not experienced these issues, that doesn't mean it is not happening. I am glad that you have never needed to do this things, it is uncomfortable and can be quite humiliating. But at least, in a female only toilet, it is a little better.
I think when people think of toilet usage, maybe they have never had to use the toilets in any other way other than behind a closed door.

That is a privilege in that respect.

But the needs are still there and they are real for many female people to be able to engage in public life.

To allow any male person toileting spaces (over the age of about 8 years old) removes some of the usability of this space for female people.

Demanding that all toilets are changed into single cubicles doesn’t mean that the issues where women and girls need the extra space and privacy for everyday occurrences go away. That style of toilet means female people will just self exclude because of a loss of provision.

But if males with a trans identity are allowed in women’s toilets as they are “women” why should they be excluded from any other female facility? Why should they not be in female prisons, refuges and changing rooms? Why only toilets?

Yep. And if you mention these things apparently, according to some, you are fetishising toilets, skeevy and weird, icky, and doing things in the toilet that you shouldn’t be, exposing yourself to women who don’t want to be exposed to the needs of other women.

Now we are hysterical and unhygienic!

oh we have long been unhygienic and hysterical - vaguely reassuring really !