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Mumsnet is now backing Reform UK - survey

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IwantToRetire · 05/01/2026 17:24

The ladies are for turning after all – as a new survey reveals that one in five of the politically engaged mothers on the social networking site are ready to pledge allegiance to Nigel Farage

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mumsnet-labour-reform-school-gates-keir-starmer-b2894524.html

Also in full at https://archive.is/V5P6n

If Mumsnet is now backing Reform UK, it’s over for Starmer’s Labour

The ladies are for turning after all – as a new survey reveals that one in five of the politically engaged mothers on the social networking site are ready to pledge allegiance to Nigel Farage, Victoria Richards warns it is the PM’s final death knell

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mumsnet-labour-reform-school-gates-keir-starmer-b2894524.html

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TooBigForMyBoots · 28/02/2026 01:41

Somemum1 · 28/02/2026 01:02

Would you believe Roshan M Salih, Editor-in-Chief of 5 Pillars News? Or is he some random too?
“5Pillars is the largest English language Muslim news site in Europe, Australia and the Americas”
https://x.com/rmsalih/status/2027242097099559091?s=46

These are facts that I was unaware of a year ago.
I am speaking out because I know a lot of people are either unaware or disbelieving, like many in this chat.
Don’t believe me? I don’t blame you, I didn’t want to believe it either.
I urge you to research any part of this you don’t believe yourself. READ THE QURAN.
it is NOT a religion of peace, but full of hatred for non-believers.
We are fast running out of time to stop this.

Ah. You have no actual evidence to back up your extreme statements @Somemum1?

You're just one of them TwiX people.🤦‍♀️

ShowMeTheSea · 28/02/2026 02:02

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/02/2026 15:53

Fucking hell!🤯
All of them?🤯🤯🤯

How do you know?

Exactly, and still this hasn't been answered.

want to know the facts regarding all the Muslims in G&D voting Green. As you said in your post at 08.50

You've just linked again to another twitter account saying about a Muslim vote.
That one just seems to be saying about a Muslim vote - as in British people who are Muslim are allowed to vote too, you know. Yet you're still muttering and waving vague hands about and insinuations about "fast running out of time to stop this"
Stop what? People voting? Spit out what you really mean, that you believe in some takeover conspiracy.
Again - "How do you know all Muslims are voting the exact same way, for the exact same people/party? You realise they're all separate people with their own minds and opinions right, just like everyone else?

UtopiaPlanitia · 28/02/2026 02:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2026 01:27

People that hope that the Greens taking votes from Labour will “force Labour to the left”, what do you actually hope they will do? What are the policies you want? How will they be implemented and paid for? Reform are still in the lead in polls across the country. The Greens are not going to win in most seats. Do you want it to be a battle between extremist left v extremist right?

Having seen this statement mentioned in a number of newspapers, I'm concerned that the feminist aspect of the secret ballot is being undermined. Women should be free to vote without male instruction or coercion so I'm hoping that this so-called 'family voting' will be taken seriously and investigated.

https://democracyvolunteers.org/major-concerns-over-family-voting-in-gorton-and-denton-poll/

Democracy Volunteers Major Concerns over Family Voting in Gorton and Denton Poll

‘Today we have seen concerningly high levels of family voting in Gorton and Denton. Based on our assessment of today’s observations, we have seen the highest levels of family voting at any el…

https://democracyvolunteers.org/major-concerns-over-family-voting-in-gorton-and-denton-poll/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2026 02:49

From what I’ve seen the usual suspects are handwaving it away because they “don’t think it’s plausible” and the organisation isn’t impartial because it was set up by “a Conservative Peer” (the horror!)

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 28/02/2026 06:30

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/02/2026 22:43

I'm not really bothered about randoms on TwiX.

I want to know the facts regarding all the Muslims in G&D voting Green. As you said in your post at 08.50.

Edited

We all do. We all also know that there aren't any and, in her heart of hearts, I suspect that somemum1 does too.

Her posting of Philip Kiszely is interesting. IIRC he was a lecturer at Leeds university specialising in cultural history who morphed into a xenophobic political commentator online. He is deeply Islamophobic, regularly repeats the tired old lie of the Right that immigration is out of control and that society's problems are the direct result of said immigration, and called for all pro-Palestinian demonstrations to be banned and demonstrators jailed.

All this led, not unsurprisingly, to his university firing him. He now does the talkshow circuit, telling anyone who will listen that his free speech was cancelled and that, of course, Britain is on the verge of total collapse due to Muslims.

He has become something of a darling to those who paint roundabouts and shout at hotels.

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 28/02/2026 06:43

ShowMeTheSea · 28/02/2026 02:02

Exactly, and still this hasn't been answered.

want to know the facts regarding all the Muslims in G&D voting Green. As you said in your post at 08.50

You've just linked again to another twitter account saying about a Muslim vote.
That one just seems to be saying about a Muslim vote - as in British people who are Muslim are allowed to vote too, you know. Yet you're still muttering and waving vague hands about and insinuations about "fast running out of time to stop this"
Stop what? People voting? Spit out what you really mean, that you believe in some takeover conspiracy.
Again - "How do you know all Muslims are voting the exact same way, for the exact same people/party? You realise they're all separate people with their own minds and opinions right, just like everyone else?

Absolutely.

And let us not forget that Labour ran an especially dirty - almost to the point of illegality - campaign with their van advertising that screeched the Greens wanted to give your children free drugs and sell your daughters into, well, let us keep this polite and say 'service'.

Meanwhile, Reform - backed by their billionaire doners - continued to peddle their usual brand of xenophobic drivel.

I think the takeaway lesson from the Gorton & Denton by election is not that there was a large-scale conspiracy but, rather, that the fine people of the area are not idiots.

nicepotoftea · 28/02/2026 09:47

Maybe this is a situation where two things can be true at the same time - the tactics of some parties might have been questionable and where there is evidence of wrongdoing that should be investigated. However, the result was not surprising. It was a by-election and most people voted against the unpopular incumbent government and their unpopular predecessors for one of two alternative parties.

I think Zack Polanski is a gobshite, but I don't think he is more dishonest than Farage.

I don't think this is just about Gaza. Demonising muslims in the UK is not a good move if you want their vote, and they are perfectly entitled to vote.

However, it is now 'on brand' for Farage to blame this predictable loss on muslims and voter fraud.

SionnachRuadh · 28/02/2026 09:48

We used to get Labour people - maybe they still exist - insisting that dirty tricks in by-elections were the preserve of George Galloway and the Lib Dems, and you were a massive racist if you noticed weird things happening with postal votes in Labour strongholds.

They really can't complain if their own tactics end up being used against them, but it might be an incentive to clean up elections so voters have confidence in the result, and we aren't breathing a sigh of relief that the Greens won big enough that their majority is outside the margin of fraud.

Source: being a voter in an urban Labour constituency with a specific demographic makeup.

UtopiaPlanitia · 28/02/2026 15:55

From 11 mins in, Camilla and Tim discuss the issue of feminists highlighting the voting coercion that happens under strongly patriarchal social mores:

Somemum1 · 01/03/2026 12:29

PROOF OF HOW THE MUSLIM VOTE WORKS, written by an incredibly brave British Muslim, Raja Miah.
It is not just his opininion, below are links to government and independent reports, judge's evidence to Parliament...
Sorry it's a long read, but worth it. I'd love to know your thoughts

Raja Miah MBE (born May 1973) is a British activist, campaigner, charity worker, and political figure based in the Greater Manchester area, particularly known for his work in Oldham.
"For the past seven years, I led the campaign that exposed how Labour Party politicians protected the rape gangs. For most of this time, both politicians and the police have tried and failed to have me imprisoned.
I will never work again because I refused to look the other way to the gang rape of children.
Before that, I spent over twenty years protecting children and safeguarding communities from extremists. Queen Elizabeth II put a medal on my chest for the work I did."

HOW THE PAKISTANIS RIG ELECTIONS

Raja Miah

@recusant_raja

Feb 27

The Green Party would have you believe that hope and solidarity won them the Gorton and Denton by-election. I beg to differ. What this by-election gave us was a window into the future of the United Kingdom. A future where attempts to rig elections are no longer hidden. Where sectarianism plays a dominant role. Where the flag of Pakistan is openly waved in the streets of an English constituency. It will only get worse. They will be emboldened by this. After all, in the end, the result wasn’t even close. None of this should surprise anyone who has been paying attention. I’ve been at this for approaching eight years. Everything I have been documenting, everything I have been warning about, is exactly what you witnessed. The institutions dismissed it. The press ignored it. And yet here we are.

Which brings me to the question everyone on the right is now avoiding - what does this mean for Reform? Reform need to win seats like Denton and Gorton if they are serious about the next General Election. That they didn’t come close is significant. But this is not a counsel of despair. We know it can be done, because we have done it. In Oldham, election after election, we have faced these exact tactics and beaten them. We have defeated the metropolitan elite, the mobsters, and their bloc voting Muslim partners in 4 consecutive elections where we took out their party leaders and took the council into no overall control. By whatever means necessary, the Greens got their candidate over the line in Gorton and Denton. The tactics they and Labour used only surprised people who have never witnessed them before. We have. And we won anyway.

What happened in Gorton and Denton on Thursday night is not new. It is not unusual. It is not a protest vote or a demographic shift or a community expressing its values. It is a system. A system has been running for at least thirty years, in over 100 towns and cities across this country, in plain sight.
I know how it works because I have lived inside it and experienced it.
The truth is Goodwin knows what happened. Reform know. The commentators know. The politicians know. The police know. The returning officers know. Every journalist who has covered these constituencies for more than five minutes knows. But most people have decided that saying costs too much.
It is time you knew too.

  1. THE CLAN DELIVERS THE VOTE:

Biraderi is the clan network. It came from villages in Mirpur and Azad Kashmir and it works here exactly as it works there. The man at the top tells people how to vote. Stepping outside it has consequences for your whole family, not just you.

A 2008 report commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust
https://www.jrrt.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Purity-of-Elections-in-the-UK-2008.pdf
documented the biraderi system and its connection to postal vote fraud. It described ballot papers being completed within the family home or, in their own words, "taken to a central facility (so called 'voting factories') for completion by party representatives." That phrase has been in the public record for seventeen years. It was cited in official Parliamentary research briefings. It was submitted to government. It is the findings of an organisation that no one would describe as politically of the right.

Reports like this have been replicated for years. Nobody has dared act on any of it.
Every politician who has stood in one of these seats knows this exists. Every single one has decided that saying so publicly costs more than staying quiet.
I have been saying it for eight years. I am saying it again. The rape gangs did not operate in isolation. They were part of a system. The biraderi system.

  1. THEY REMOVE YOU BEFORE YOU START:

Inside the parties it starts at selection. If a clan wants to put forward its candidate for a Labour council seat and that candidate is from the wrong biraderi, the branch gets suspended. No suspension, no selection meeting. No selection meeting, no candidate. Clean. Nothing written down. Nobody to complain to.

The branch suspension is only possible with the complicity of the political party.I have seen White MPs help suspend local branches because it would negatively impact on those they had helped secure in to positions who supplied them with sackfuls of postal votes.

If someone decides to stand anyway, as an independent or through a different party, the visit comes. Late at night. To the family home. The message does not need to be spelled out. Within days the candidate withdraws. Sometimes they go further than that. They record a video. Sitting there, looking into a camera, endorsing the clan's official candidate. Hostage-style. Distributed across the community WhatsApp groups before anyone outside notices what happened.

And sometimes the clans do not even bother with any of that. They deal with each other directly, across what should be rival parties, and the seat is divided up before a single vote is cast. How else do you explain the Greens running effectively uncontested as the left's alternative to Labour in Gorton and Denton? Why did the BBC 'mistakenly' report on the Workers Party candidate only for the party to later withdraw and step down?

@BBCNews
This post replaces an earlier post to clarify the Workers Party of Britain is still identifying a candidate for the Gorton and Denton by-election

From bbc.co.uk

This does not happen by accident. This happens when groups of men meet late at night in smoke filled rooms.

  1. THE MOSQUE GIVES THE INSTRUCTION:

The week before polling day there is a meeting. Or a sermon. Or both. The congregation is told who to vote for. Sometimes directly. More often wrapped in the language of community protection, of what happens if the wrong party wins. Sometimes, the imam even leads the congregation in prayers where he will specifically name the candidate. Everyone understands what this means.

This is not a coincidence of timing or community enthusiasm. Many of the mosques in the UK may as well be political headquarters as well. Time and again, the committee members who run these mosques are leading members of the same political parties whose candidates are being endorsed from the pulpit. The mosque and the party machine are not separate institutions with a shared interest. They are the same people wearing different hats on different days of the week.

In the town where I live, the mosque was secretly funded by the council with an interest free loan with no paperwork. It is controlled by the brother of the Deputy Leader of the Council. The committee members include politicians and past candidates. Even the local MP was a regular until we exposed how he had been attending the local mosques thanking the congregations 'for all the votes'.

When the candidate goes out canvassing, a senior mosque committee member walks alongside them. Think about what that conveys to every door they knock on. Think about what it says to every voter who opens their door.

This was proven in open court. In 2015, Richard Mawrey QC voided the election of Lutfur Rahman as Mayor of Tower Hamlets after finding that Muslim clerics had campaigned for him and persuaded voters "that it was their religious duty to vote for him." The judge found he had no option but to conclude there was undue spiritual influence. Rahman was removed from office and barred from standing for five years.

@BBCBreaking

Apr 23, 2015

Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman found guilty of corrupt & illegal practices by judge in London

From bbc.co.uk

He came back. He is Mayor of Tower Hamlets again today. Because in these communities, what the judge called corruption is not experienced as corruption. There is no separation between the mosque and the ballot box. There never has been. The imam's instruction and the party's instruction are the same instruction, delivered through different mouths. To challenge one is to challenge the other.

Some of my friends on the political right would go further. They would argue that this is not incidental to political Islam but central to it. That the purpose is precisely to ensure the political serves the religious. That every council seat, every mayoralty, every MP is a step toward an environment in which the community governs itself by its own rules. Specifically, the Sharia.

Whether you accept that framing or not, the practical effect is identical. The vote is not an individual act. It is a collective obligation. And the collective is not the nation. It is the faith.

A vicar who told his Church of England congregation how to vote from the pulpit would lose his position before the week was out. There would be questions in Parliament. It would lead the news for days. But here, not only is it common practice, it is something the Labour Party has utilised for decades.

  1. COMPLIANCE GETS REWARDED:

Social housing. Planning permission. Jobs. Taxi licences. School placements. Visas. Grants that appear when the vote goes the right way and disappear when it doesn't.

The MP, the ward councillor, the community leader, the men with the right phone numbers, controls all of it. Vote correctly and your family gets looked after. Step out of line and your nephew misses the job, your planning application sits in a drawer for eighteen months, your organisation is told it no longer meets the criteria.

Nobody writes it down. Nobody needs to. Everyone understands how it works.
I have seen entire streets of brand new social housing go to the same clan members as if they are rebuilding their village in the United Kingdom. In my own town, in the run up to a local election, a swimming baths was sold at mates rates to an organisation that openly boasted of its influence over the result.

And all of that is before you get to how criminals aligned with political parties are now openly running for office. Do you really think gangsters have suddenly developed a social conscience?

  1. RESISTANCE GETS PUNISHED:

Speak out and you are demonised inside the community first. The biraderi then moves fast. Within days the calls go in. To the council. To the police. To anyone with the power to make your life difficult.

I know this from my own experience. The police have admitted to me that I was arrested on the instructions of Pakistani politicians. The council hired a law firm to threaten me and attempt to prevent me from lawfully speaking out. When a member of the biraderi publicly offered to kill me, the response from the now leader of Oldham Council was to post love hearts in response. That politician holds a senior role in Keir Starmer's Labour Party today.

Here is the post. It was in reference to me after I exposed Arooj Shah's (Labour leader of Oldham Council) direct associations with organised crime in Oldham, including her 'friendship' with the getaway driver of the cop killer Dale Cregan.
@AndyBurnhamGM's now proven Pakistani Rape Gang protecting police force

Businesses that refuse to play along get visited by council food safety inspectors. A five star hygiene rating becomes a one star. No explanation necessary. Everybody understands the consequences for stepping out of line.

The local media, dependent on council advertising and relationships with the people running these communities, does not report on any of it. In many cases it joins in and helps target those that the politicians dependent on the bloc vote want an example making of.

When you know what happens to people who do not comply, and you have watched it happen to others, and there is a knock at your door at election time asking for your postal votes, what do you do?
Most people hand them over. Do you blame them?

  1. THE POSTAL VOTE IS WHERE IT'S WON:

The postal vote was sold to us by Tony Blair as making democracy more accessible. What it did was move the ballot out of the polling booth and into the home. Into the home where the clan elder has authority. Where the instruction from the mosque has already been delivered. Where nobody independent is watching anything.

I have watched this with my own eyes. What I saw was not opportunistic. It was an operation running with the precision of a trading floor. Postal votes were not just being harvested. They were being traded. Allocated. Moved around. People were calling in from overseas to direct what was happening on the ground. Someone sitting in Pakistan or Bangladesh, on a phone, managing the movement of British ballot papers in a British election.
It now seems that others are finally beginning to see the same.

Nigel Farage MP

Our electoral system needs reform, we must scrap postal voting unless absolutely necessary, and we must enforce the right to a secret ballot. If nothing changes, I fear for the future of British democracy.

From telegraph.co.uk

This is not new. In Washwood Heath, Birmingham, in 2004, postal vote applications went from 478 the previous year to 5,583. A 1,068 percent increase in twelve months. The same pattern appeared across multiple wards across the city. Richard Mawrey QC, the judge who heard the evidence, said that anybody who had sat through it would find it "evidence of electoral fraud that would disgrace a banana republic." He was describing a British election. Six Labour councillors were convicted, banned from standing for five years and ordered to pay half a million pounds in costs. Then they got on with their lives.

This is his own evidence submitted to parliament. Read it in full
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/1027/pdf/
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Mohammed Hussain, a Labour councillor in Blackburn, won his seat in 2002 with a majority of over six hundred. Police later found he had sent friends door to door to collect postal ballots from voters. The completed papers were brought back to his house. His home became a production line. He was jailed for three years and seven months. The judge said he had no precedent for the sentence because electoral fraud on this scale had been unknown in Britain for a hundred years. That was eight months before Birmingham.

Campaigners went house to house asking voters to hand over blank ballots, telling them: "Don't worry, we'll take care of them."

Between 2020 and 2024, police investigated 1,318 cases of alleged electoral fraud in this country. Eight led to convictions. Eight.

The Count Is Built To Hide It
And the count is designed to keep it that way. Polling station votes are counted separately, station by station. You can see the geography of the result. You can spot anomalies. Postal votes are different. Every postal vote in the constituency goes into the same pile, all mixed together, with no breakdown by area. There is no way to see that one particular neighbourhood returned postal votes at four times the rate of everywhere else. No way to see it on the night. No way to prove it afterwards.

So the fraud happens in the community, weeks before polling day. The cover is built into the count. The low conviction rate tells you what happens when it gets reported. And the people responsible for delivering free and fair elections have read every judgment and every report that has ever described any of this and pretend nothing is wrong. Everything about postal votes in the UK is wrong.

By the time the first ballot box is opened, they already know who won. The celebrations in Mirpur are well under way.

  1. THEY WATCH YOU VOTE:

Family voting has been a criminal offence since the Ballot Secrecy Act 2023. On Thursday in Gorton and Denton, Democracy Volunteers, an accredited election observer group with ten years of monitoring UK elections, deployed four observers across 22 of the 45 polling stations. They recorded 32 separate incidents of family voting across 15 of those stations. Nine incidents in a single station. They observed 545 voters in total. Twelve percent of them were either involved in or affected by family voting.

Their director, John Ault, said it was the highest level of family voting his organisation had recorded in a decade of observing British elections. They issued their findings on the night, which is rare. The data, he said, was too significant to wait.

Manchester City Council said no concerns had been raised and called the timing of the report "extremely disappointing." Democracy Volunteers pointed out that issuing findings after polls close is the accepted international standard.

Family voting means someone stands over you in the booth and watches you vote. Or goes in with you. Or positions themselves close enough that you know they can see. The secret ballot exists precisely to prevent this. The decision about how to vote is supposed to be made alone, in private, with no one watching. In these wards, in these communities, that is not how it works.

The decision was made at home before they left. What happens at the booth is confirmation those casting the vote are doing as they are told.
I'm not really sure why they call it family voting when the person steering mainly women, and sometimes the elderly, toward the booth is often no relation to them at all.
The Labour Party run council can cite cultural reasons all they want. No surprise, as historically it is the Labour Party that has benefited from such illegal activities.

  1. THEY DON'T JUST STAND OUTSIDE AND WATCH:
The men outside the polling station in certain wards on election day have a job to do. They watch who comes through. They notice who has not appeared by three o'clock. Calls get made and people are rounded up. Want that council house? Isn't your cousin trying to get a work visa? Looking for a good husband for your daughter? The levers are endless. And in a tight community, these levers are powerful.

Inside, polling agents from certain parties approach elderly voters, people voting for the first time, voters with limited English. They offer guidance. The guidance points one way.

Some voters are required to prove they voted correctly. Not asked. Required. I know who you are. I know you are here to vote. Show me a photograph on your phone of your ballot paper so I can see where you put the cross.

Democracy Volunteers observed several voters in Gorton and Denton on Thursday taking photographs of their ballot papers inside the polling station. That is not curiosity. That is compliance. Someone is waiting for that photograph.

I have spoken to many people who have been intimidated at polling stations. There is no point reporting it anymore. They know nothing will happen. And the consequences they face afterwards are not worth the risk. The police, just as with the rape gangs, are in on it.

  1. THE STATE IS A PARTNER IN THIS:

None of what I have written here is new. Court rulings. Parliamentary reports. Electoral Commission findings. Journalism going back twenty years. All of it submitted, formally, to returning officers, chief constables, council chief executives, MPs and ministers under every government since 2000.

Every single time, it was set aside.
Just have a read of this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/apr/05/uk.localgovernment


Corrupt postmen had handed over sacks of postal ballots to Labour candidates, little boys had been paid to steal postal ballots from letterboxes and bags full of postal votes had arrived late at the count, to be included without question in the poll.

The Hussain conviction in Blackburn came on 8 April 2005. Mawrey's Birmingham judgment came four days earlier. In the space of one week, the British state had a criminal conviction for postal vote fraud and the most damning judicial indictment of the postal voting system ever written. Charles Clarke, Home Secretary, defended the postal voting system. A spokesman for his department said the system "works, and works well."

A judge used the words banana republic in a British courtroom. The people sitting in front of him were not imprisoned. This was an election court, not a criminal court. They were banned from standing for five years, ordered to pay costs, and then got on with their lives. No criminal charges followed. No minister resigned. No chief constable was held to account. No systemic change came.

And that was Birmingham in 2004. One case. One city. One election. It only came to court because four electors petitioned. Most seats where this happens, nobody petitions. The court never convenes. The count stands. The winner takes their seat. And it happens again at the next election.

The Police Already Had Practice
These are the same police forces that looked away from grooming gangs in the same towns at the same time. Bradford. Rochdale. Oldham. Rotherham. The same calculation was made by the same people. Acting meant confronting the same communities, the same councillors, the same political relationships. So they did nothing, wrote it up as no further action, and called it proportionate.

Returning officers are the Chief Executives that work for the council. The people they are supposed to investigate run the council. Work the independence of that out for yourself.

This Is Not Ignorance
This is not incompetence. Incompetence is random. This is consistent, across decades, across parties, across every institution that was supposed to stop it.
They were not short of material.

Mawrey's Birmingham judgment in 2004 described the postal voting system as a recipe for fraud and put it on the permanent public record.
A Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust report in 2008 documented voting factories and was submitted to Parliament.
Tower Hamlets produced another election court judgment in 2015, another mayor removed, another detailed indictment of the same mechanisms by the same judge.
The following year the government appointed Sir Eric Pickles as its Anti-Corruption Champion and asked him to
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/securing-the-ballot-review-into-electoral-fraud

Voter ID Changes Nothing
Parliament eventually acted. The Elections Act 2022. Voter ID at the polling station. Everything I have described in this piece happens before anyone gets near a polling station. It happens in postal votes, in homes, in mosques, in community meetings weeks before polling day. And on the rare occasions it does happen at the station, the ID check makes no difference. They walk in with you. They watch where you put the cross. Or they wait outside and you show them the screenshot on the way out. Parliament aimed at the wrong target, called it a solution, and moved on.

The state does not just look away from this fraud. The state enables it. In some cases, the state is part of it. Gorton and Denton on Thursday. May elections next. The people who could have stopped this thirty years ago will be convening a working group.

10: REFORM SHOULD KNOW BETTER:

Matt Goodwin and Reform were shocked on Friday morning. They should not have been. What played out is normal practice. And they know it.

@BBCPolitics
·
Feb 27

Election observers raise concerns about "extremely high" levels of family voting in the Gorton and Denton by-election

From bbc.com

Why do you think so many White working class people in these constituencies do not bother voting? They know it is rigged. They have always known. Nobody in power has ever thought that worth investigating.
Why do you think there is not one word of complaint from within the Pakistani communities? They know nothing will be done. They also know what will happen to them if they speak.

MORE THAN JUST SECTARIANISM:

Calling this sectarianism is shallow.

  • It does not explain the depth of what is taking place.
  • It does not explain the state's role in allowing it to continue.
  • Sectarianism does not run Operation Gripe.
  • Sectarianism does not ignore fifty recommendations.
  • Sectarianism does not stand at a dispatch box and tell the country the system works.
The state does.

If Reform want to govern, they need to develop a policy to end this. If Reform want to restore hope in the communities that have been abandoned to the politics of Pakistan, they need a strategy to contest elections in these areas and defeat this. If Reform want to help facilitate integration, they need to help those within these communities who are blackmailed and victims of this.

Securing the ballot: review into electoral fraud

This report provides the outcome of Sir Eric Pickles' independent review on preventing electoral fraud in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/securing-the-ballot-review-into-electoral-fraud

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 08:47

Somemum1 · 01/03/2026 12:29

PROOF OF HOW THE MUSLIM VOTE WORKS, written by an incredibly brave British Muslim, Raja Miah.
It is not just his opininion, below are links to government and independent reports, judge's evidence to Parliament...
Sorry it's a long read, but worth it. I'd love to know your thoughts

Raja Miah MBE (born May 1973) is a British activist, campaigner, charity worker, and political figure based in the Greater Manchester area, particularly known for his work in Oldham.
"For the past seven years, I led the campaign that exposed how Labour Party politicians protected the rape gangs. For most of this time, both politicians and the police have tried and failed to have me imprisoned.
I will never work again because I refused to look the other way to the gang rape of children.
Before that, I spent over twenty years protecting children and safeguarding communities from extremists. Queen Elizabeth II put a medal on my chest for the work I did."

HOW THE PAKISTANIS RIG ELECTIONS

Raja Miah

@recusant_raja

Feb 27

The Green Party would have you believe that hope and solidarity won them the Gorton and Denton by-election. I beg to differ. What this by-election gave us was a window into the future of the United Kingdom. A future where attempts to rig elections are no longer hidden. Where sectarianism plays a dominant role. Where the flag of Pakistan is openly waved in the streets of an English constituency. It will only get worse. They will be emboldened by this. After all, in the end, the result wasn’t even close. None of this should surprise anyone who has been paying attention. I’ve been at this for approaching eight years. Everything I have been documenting, everything I have been warning about, is exactly what you witnessed. The institutions dismissed it. The press ignored it. And yet here we are.

Which brings me to the question everyone on the right is now avoiding - what does this mean for Reform? Reform need to win seats like Denton and Gorton if they are serious about the next General Election. That they didn’t come close is significant. But this is not a counsel of despair. We know it can be done, because we have done it. In Oldham, election after election, we have faced these exact tactics and beaten them. We have defeated the metropolitan elite, the mobsters, and their bloc voting Muslim partners in 4 consecutive elections where we took out their party leaders and took the council into no overall control. By whatever means necessary, the Greens got their candidate over the line in Gorton and Denton. The tactics they and Labour used only surprised people who have never witnessed them before. We have. And we won anyway.

What happened in Gorton and Denton on Thursday night is not new. It is not unusual. It is not a protest vote or a demographic shift or a community expressing its values. It is a system. A system has been running for at least thirty years, in over 100 towns and cities across this country, in plain sight.
I know how it works because I have lived inside it and experienced it.
The truth is Goodwin knows what happened. Reform know. The commentators know. The politicians know. The police know. The returning officers know. Every journalist who has covered these constituencies for more than five minutes knows. But most people have decided that saying costs too much.
It is time you knew too.

  1. THE CLAN DELIVERS THE VOTE:

Biraderi is the clan network. It came from villages in Mirpur and Azad Kashmir and it works here exactly as it works there. The man at the top tells people how to vote. Stepping outside it has consequences for your whole family, not just you.

A 2008 report commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust
https://www.jrrt.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Purity-of-Elections-in-the-UK-2008.pdf
documented the biraderi system and its connection to postal vote fraud. It described ballot papers being completed within the family home or, in their own words, "taken to a central facility (so called 'voting factories') for completion by party representatives." That phrase has been in the public record for seventeen years. It was cited in official Parliamentary research briefings. It was submitted to government. It is the findings of an organisation that no one would describe as politically of the right.

Reports like this have been replicated for years. Nobody has dared act on any of it.
Every politician who has stood in one of these seats knows this exists. Every single one has decided that saying so publicly costs more than staying quiet.
I have been saying it for eight years. I am saying it again. The rape gangs did not operate in isolation. They were part of a system. The biraderi system.

  1. THEY REMOVE YOU BEFORE YOU START:

Inside the parties it starts at selection. If a clan wants to put forward its candidate for a Labour council seat and that candidate is from the wrong biraderi, the branch gets suspended. No suspension, no selection meeting. No selection meeting, no candidate. Clean. Nothing written down. Nobody to complain to.

The branch suspension is only possible with the complicity of the political party.I have seen White MPs help suspend local branches because it would negatively impact on those they had helped secure in to positions who supplied them with sackfuls of postal votes.

If someone decides to stand anyway, as an independent or through a different party, the visit comes. Late at night. To the family home. The message does not need to be spelled out. Within days the candidate withdraws. Sometimes they go further than that. They record a video. Sitting there, looking into a camera, endorsing the clan's official candidate. Hostage-style. Distributed across the community WhatsApp groups before anyone outside notices what happened.

And sometimes the clans do not even bother with any of that. They deal with each other directly, across what should be rival parties, and the seat is divided up before a single vote is cast. How else do you explain the Greens running effectively uncontested as the left's alternative to Labour in Gorton and Denton? Why did the BBC 'mistakenly' report on the Workers Party candidate only for the party to later withdraw and step down?

@BBCNews
This post replaces an earlier post to clarify the Workers Party of Britain is still identifying a candidate for the Gorton and Denton by-election

From bbc.co.uk

This does not happen by accident. This happens when groups of men meet late at night in smoke filled rooms.

  1. THE MOSQUE GIVES THE INSTRUCTION:

The week before polling day there is a meeting. Or a sermon. Or both. The congregation is told who to vote for. Sometimes directly. More often wrapped in the language of community protection, of what happens if the wrong party wins. Sometimes, the imam even leads the congregation in prayers where he will specifically name the candidate. Everyone understands what this means.

This is not a coincidence of timing or community enthusiasm. Many of the mosques in the UK may as well be political headquarters as well. Time and again, the committee members who run these mosques are leading members of the same political parties whose candidates are being endorsed from the pulpit. The mosque and the party machine are not separate institutions with a shared interest. They are the same people wearing different hats on different days of the week.

In the town where I live, the mosque was secretly funded by the council with an interest free loan with no paperwork. It is controlled by the brother of the Deputy Leader of the Council. The committee members include politicians and past candidates. Even the local MP was a regular until we exposed how he had been attending the local mosques thanking the congregations 'for all the votes'.

When the candidate goes out canvassing, a senior mosque committee member walks alongside them. Think about what that conveys to every door they knock on. Think about what it says to every voter who opens their door.

This was proven in open court. In 2015, Richard Mawrey QC voided the election of Lutfur Rahman as Mayor of Tower Hamlets after finding that Muslim clerics had campaigned for him and persuaded voters "that it was their religious duty to vote for him." The judge found he had no option but to conclude there was undue spiritual influence. Rahman was removed from office and barred from standing for five years.

@BBCBreaking

Apr 23, 2015

Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman found guilty of corrupt & illegal practices by judge in London

From bbc.co.uk

He came back. He is Mayor of Tower Hamlets again today. Because in these communities, what the judge called corruption is not experienced as corruption. There is no separation between the mosque and the ballot box. There never has been. The imam's instruction and the party's instruction are the same instruction, delivered through different mouths. To challenge one is to challenge the other.

Some of my friends on the political right would go further. They would argue that this is not incidental to political Islam but central to it. That the purpose is precisely to ensure the political serves the religious. That every council seat, every mayoralty, every MP is a step toward an environment in which the community governs itself by its own rules. Specifically, the Sharia.

Whether you accept that framing or not, the practical effect is identical. The vote is not an individual act. It is a collective obligation. And the collective is not the nation. It is the faith.

A vicar who told his Church of England congregation how to vote from the pulpit would lose his position before the week was out. There would be questions in Parliament. It would lead the news for days. But here, not only is it common practice, it is something the Labour Party has utilised for decades.

  1. COMPLIANCE GETS REWARDED:

Social housing. Planning permission. Jobs. Taxi licences. School placements. Visas. Grants that appear when the vote goes the right way and disappear when it doesn't.

The MP, the ward councillor, the community leader, the men with the right phone numbers, controls all of it. Vote correctly and your family gets looked after. Step out of line and your nephew misses the job, your planning application sits in a drawer for eighteen months, your organisation is told it no longer meets the criteria.

Nobody writes it down. Nobody needs to. Everyone understands how it works.
I have seen entire streets of brand new social housing go to the same clan members as if they are rebuilding their village in the United Kingdom. In my own town, in the run up to a local election, a swimming baths was sold at mates rates to an organisation that openly boasted of its influence over the result.

And all of that is before you get to how criminals aligned with political parties are now openly running for office. Do you really think gangsters have suddenly developed a social conscience?

  1. RESISTANCE GETS PUNISHED:

Speak out and you are demonised inside the community first. The biraderi then moves fast. Within days the calls go in. To the council. To the police. To anyone with the power to make your life difficult.

I know this from my own experience. The police have admitted to me that I was arrested on the instructions of Pakistani politicians. The council hired a law firm to threaten me and attempt to prevent me from lawfully speaking out. When a member of the biraderi publicly offered to kill me, the response from the now leader of Oldham Council was to post love hearts in response. That politician holds a senior role in Keir Starmer's Labour Party today.

Here is the post. It was in reference to me after I exposed Arooj Shah's (Labour leader of Oldham Council) direct associations with organised crime in Oldham, including her 'friendship' with the getaway driver of the cop killer Dale Cregan.
@AndyBurnhamGM's now proven Pakistani Rape Gang protecting police force

Businesses that refuse to play along get visited by council food safety inspectors. A five star hygiene rating becomes a one star. No explanation necessary. Everybody understands the consequences for stepping out of line.

The local media, dependent on council advertising and relationships with the people running these communities, does not report on any of it. In many cases it joins in and helps target those that the politicians dependent on the bloc vote want an example making of.

When you know what happens to people who do not comply, and you have watched it happen to others, and there is a knock at your door at election time asking for your postal votes, what do you do?
Most people hand them over. Do you blame them?

  1. THE POSTAL VOTE IS WHERE IT'S WON:

The postal vote was sold to us by Tony Blair as making democracy more accessible. What it did was move the ballot out of the polling booth and into the home. Into the home where the clan elder has authority. Where the instruction from the mosque has already been delivered. Where nobody independent is watching anything.

I have watched this with my own eyes. What I saw was not opportunistic. It was an operation running with the precision of a trading floor. Postal votes were not just being harvested. They were being traded. Allocated. Moved around. People were calling in from overseas to direct what was happening on the ground. Someone sitting in Pakistan or Bangladesh, on a phone, managing the movement of British ballot papers in a British election.
It now seems that others are finally beginning to see the same.

Nigel Farage MP

Our electoral system needs reform, we must scrap postal voting unless absolutely necessary, and we must enforce the right to a secret ballot. If nothing changes, I fear for the future of British democracy.

From telegraph.co.uk

This is not new. In Washwood Heath, Birmingham, in 2004, postal vote applications went from 478 the previous year to 5,583. A 1,068 percent increase in twelve months. The same pattern appeared across multiple wards across the city. Richard Mawrey QC, the judge who heard the evidence, said that anybody who had sat through it would find it "evidence of electoral fraud that would disgrace a banana republic." He was describing a British election. Six Labour councillors were convicted, banned from standing for five years and ordered to pay half a million pounds in costs. Then they got on with their lives.

This is his own evidence submitted to parliament. Read it in full
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/1027/pdf/
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Mohammed Hussain, a Labour councillor in Blackburn, won his seat in 2002 with a majority of over six hundred. Police later found he had sent friends door to door to collect postal ballots from voters. The completed papers were brought back to his house. His home became a production line. He was jailed for three years and seven months. The judge said he had no precedent for the sentence because electoral fraud on this scale had been unknown in Britain for a hundred years. That was eight months before Birmingham.

Campaigners went house to house asking voters to hand over blank ballots, telling them: "Don't worry, we'll take care of them."

Between 2020 and 2024, police investigated 1,318 cases of alleged electoral fraud in this country. Eight led to convictions. Eight.

The Count Is Built To Hide It
And the count is designed to keep it that way. Polling station votes are counted separately, station by station. You can see the geography of the result. You can spot anomalies. Postal votes are different. Every postal vote in the constituency goes into the same pile, all mixed together, with no breakdown by area. There is no way to see that one particular neighbourhood returned postal votes at four times the rate of everywhere else. No way to see it on the night. No way to prove it afterwards.

So the fraud happens in the community, weeks before polling day. The cover is built into the count. The low conviction rate tells you what happens when it gets reported. And the people responsible for delivering free and fair elections have read every judgment and every report that has ever described any of this and pretend nothing is wrong. Everything about postal votes in the UK is wrong.

By the time the first ballot box is opened, they already know who won. The celebrations in Mirpur are well under way.

  1. THEY WATCH YOU VOTE:

Family voting has been a criminal offence since the Ballot Secrecy Act 2023. On Thursday in Gorton and Denton, Democracy Volunteers, an accredited election observer group with ten years of monitoring UK elections, deployed four observers across 22 of the 45 polling stations. They recorded 32 separate incidents of family voting across 15 of those stations. Nine incidents in a single station. They observed 545 voters in total. Twelve percent of them were either involved in or affected by family voting.

Their director, John Ault, said it was the highest level of family voting his organisation had recorded in a decade of observing British elections. They issued their findings on the night, which is rare. The data, he said, was too significant to wait.

Manchester City Council said no concerns had been raised and called the timing of the report "extremely disappointing." Democracy Volunteers pointed out that issuing findings after polls close is the accepted international standard.

Family voting means someone stands over you in the booth and watches you vote. Or goes in with you. Or positions themselves close enough that you know they can see. The secret ballot exists precisely to prevent this. The decision about how to vote is supposed to be made alone, in private, with no one watching. In these wards, in these communities, that is not how it works.

The decision was made at home before they left. What happens at the booth is confirmation those casting the vote are doing as they are told.
I'm not really sure why they call it family voting when the person steering mainly women, and sometimes the elderly, toward the booth is often no relation to them at all.
The Labour Party run council can cite cultural reasons all they want. No surprise, as historically it is the Labour Party that has benefited from such illegal activities.

  1. THEY DON'T JUST STAND OUTSIDE AND WATCH:
The men outside the polling station in certain wards on election day have a job to do. They watch who comes through. They notice who has not appeared by three o'clock. Calls get made and people are rounded up. Want that council house? Isn't your cousin trying to get a work visa? Looking for a good husband for your daughter? The levers are endless. And in a tight community, these levers are powerful.

Inside, polling agents from certain parties approach elderly voters, people voting for the first time, voters with limited English. They offer guidance. The guidance points one way.

Some voters are required to prove they voted correctly. Not asked. Required. I know who you are. I know you are here to vote. Show me a photograph on your phone of your ballot paper so I can see where you put the cross.

Democracy Volunteers observed several voters in Gorton and Denton on Thursday taking photographs of their ballot papers inside the polling station. That is not curiosity. That is compliance. Someone is waiting for that photograph.

I have spoken to many people who have been intimidated at polling stations. There is no point reporting it anymore. They know nothing will happen. And the consequences they face afterwards are not worth the risk. The police, just as with the rape gangs, are in on it.

  1. THE STATE IS A PARTNER IN THIS:

None of what I have written here is new. Court rulings. Parliamentary reports. Electoral Commission findings. Journalism going back twenty years. All of it submitted, formally, to returning officers, chief constables, council chief executives, MPs and ministers under every government since 2000.

Every single time, it was set aside.
Just have a read of this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/apr/05/uk.localgovernment


Corrupt postmen had handed over sacks of postal ballots to Labour candidates, little boys had been paid to steal postal ballots from letterboxes and bags full of postal votes had arrived late at the count, to be included without question in the poll.

The Hussain conviction in Blackburn came on 8 April 2005. Mawrey's Birmingham judgment came four days earlier. In the space of one week, the British state had a criminal conviction for postal vote fraud and the most damning judicial indictment of the postal voting system ever written. Charles Clarke, Home Secretary, defended the postal voting system. A spokesman for his department said the system "works, and works well."

A judge used the words banana republic in a British courtroom. The people sitting in front of him were not imprisoned. This was an election court, not a criminal court. They were banned from standing for five years, ordered to pay costs, and then got on with their lives. No criminal charges followed. No minister resigned. No chief constable was held to account. No systemic change came.

And that was Birmingham in 2004. One case. One city. One election. It only came to court because four electors petitioned. Most seats where this happens, nobody petitions. The court never convenes. The count stands. The winner takes their seat. And it happens again at the next election.

The Police Already Had Practice
These are the same police forces that looked away from grooming gangs in the same towns at the same time. Bradford. Rochdale. Oldham. Rotherham. The same calculation was made by the same people. Acting meant confronting the same communities, the same councillors, the same political relationships. So they did nothing, wrote it up as no further action, and called it proportionate.

Returning officers are the Chief Executives that work for the council. The people they are supposed to investigate run the council. Work the independence of that out for yourself.

This Is Not Ignorance
This is not incompetence. Incompetence is random. This is consistent, across decades, across parties, across every institution that was supposed to stop it.
They were not short of material.

Mawrey's Birmingham judgment in 2004 described the postal voting system as a recipe for fraud and put it on the permanent public record.
A Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust report in 2008 documented voting factories and was submitted to Parliament.
Tower Hamlets produced another election court judgment in 2015, another mayor removed, another detailed indictment of the same mechanisms by the same judge.
The following year the government appointed Sir Eric Pickles as its Anti-Corruption Champion and asked him to
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/securing-the-ballot-review-into-electoral-fraud

Voter ID Changes Nothing
Parliament eventually acted. The Elections Act 2022. Voter ID at the polling station. Everything I have described in this piece happens before anyone gets near a polling station. It happens in postal votes, in homes, in mosques, in community meetings weeks before polling day. And on the rare occasions it does happen at the station, the ID check makes no difference. They walk in with you. They watch where you put the cross. Or they wait outside and you show them the screenshot on the way out. Parliament aimed at the wrong target, called it a solution, and moved on.

The state does not just look away from this fraud. The state enables it. In some cases, the state is part of it. Gorton and Denton on Thursday. May elections next. The people who could have stopped this thirty years ago will be convening a working group.

10: REFORM SHOULD KNOW BETTER:

Matt Goodwin and Reform were shocked on Friday morning. They should not have been. What played out is normal practice. And they know it.

@BBCPolitics
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Feb 27

Election observers raise concerns about "extremely high" levels of family voting in the Gorton and Denton by-election

From bbc.com

Why do you think so many White working class people in these constituencies do not bother voting? They know it is rigged. They have always known. Nobody in power has ever thought that worth investigating.
Why do you think there is not one word of complaint from within the Pakistani communities? They know nothing will be done. They also know what will happen to them if they speak.

MORE THAN JUST SECTARIANISM:

Calling this sectarianism is shallow.

  • It does not explain the depth of what is taking place.
  • It does not explain the state's role in allowing it to continue.
  • Sectarianism does not run Operation Gripe.
  • Sectarianism does not ignore fifty recommendations.
  • Sectarianism does not stand at a dispatch box and tell the country the system works.
The state does.

If Reform want to govern, they need to develop a policy to end this. If Reform want to restore hope in the communities that have been abandoned to the politics of Pakistan, they need a strategy to contest elections in these areas and defeat this. If Reform want to help facilitate integration, they need to help those within these communities who are blackmailed and victims of this.

I mean, I truly do wonder about the great British public sometimes ( Truthfully, I don't because I understand about things like Dunning Kruger, echo chambers and dog whistles etc) but what truly gets me is, after all the evidence shows the wool being pulled over their eyes by Farage, Johnston, Starmer and Badenock....ably supported by gutter print media like the Daily Fail and other similarly directed trash papers, They still ignore the obvious and stick to their emotional, gut reaction.

They just don't see it....or more importantly, want to see it.

It's easy to think you are fighting back against the "system" when you go to a hotel and shout at the immigrants......but you are just playing into the hands of the "system" Often described as the Pitchfork people fighting the Firebrand people, whilst ignoring what our Lords and Masters are doing.
The election in Gorton and Denton shows what happens when "The System" doesn't get it's way; the propaganda BS goes through the roof.
We have seen it time and time again, regurgitated by the media to make sure the story runs and runs... and yet, the great British public swallows it all.

Recently, I got the usual right wing one line comment on an answer I gave, telling me I needed to "give your [sic] head a wobble". I really wanted to say that sarky, dismissive comments don't prove your case, evidence does; and that unlike you, I'm an advocate of critical thinking instead of gut reaction.
I didn't bother.
For our flag-shaggers, stupid is as stupid does.

Greyskybluesky · 02/03/2026 08:52

What's wrong with "your"? 🤔

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 08:56

Greyskybluesky · 02/03/2026 08:52

What's wrong with "your"? 🤔

Nothing, in the context of just that statement in isolation. [sic] is not only used to correct a mistake, but also to correct grammar in the context of the broader sentence, where I was referring to myself. In that context it should have been "give my head a wobble", but that is neither what they said nor makes sense when you take only the quoted response. Hence [sic]

Greyskybluesky · 02/03/2026 08:59

You used quote marks to quote them directly.
So the correct quote, presumably, was "give your head a wobble".
No need for sic

SionnachRuadh · 02/03/2026 09:07

I mean if you're going to mention "Dunning Kruger" and "flag shaggers" and hold forth on how stupid the median voter is, and go to the point of using a (sic) where none is required, the least you could do is throw in a "methinks". I haven't seen a methinkser in the wild for ages.

DrBlackbird · 02/03/2026 09:16

I do love FWR

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 09:18

Greyskybluesky · 02/03/2026 08:59

You used quote marks to quote them directly.
So the correct quote, presumably, was "give your head a wobble".
No need for sic

Evidently my language studies at school were not quite at the same level as your language studies at school...

Greyskybluesky · 02/03/2026 09:20

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 09:18

Evidently my language studies at school were not quite at the same level as your language studies at school...

I think that's quite clear, yes.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/03/2026 09:31

Greyskybluesky · 02/03/2026 09:20

I think that's quite clear, yes.

😂😂

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 09:54

Greyskybluesky · 02/03/2026 09:20

I think that's quite clear, yes.

Careful your clumsy attempt to copy my sarcasm doesn't come back to bite you. 😉

Somemum1 · 02/03/2026 09:56

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 08:47

I mean, I truly do wonder about the great British public sometimes ( Truthfully, I don't because I understand about things like Dunning Kruger, echo chambers and dog whistles etc) but what truly gets me is, after all the evidence shows the wool being pulled over their eyes by Farage, Johnston, Starmer and Badenock....ably supported by gutter print media like the Daily Fail and other similarly directed trash papers, They still ignore the obvious and stick to their emotional, gut reaction.

They just don't see it....or more importantly, want to see it.

It's easy to think you are fighting back against the "system" when you go to a hotel and shout at the immigrants......but you are just playing into the hands of the "system" Often described as the Pitchfork people fighting the Firebrand people, whilst ignoring what our Lords and Masters are doing.
The election in Gorton and Denton shows what happens when "The System" doesn't get it's way; the propaganda BS goes through the roof.
We have seen it time and time again, regurgitated by the media to make sure the story runs and runs... and yet, the great British public swallows it all.

Recently, I got the usual right wing one line comment on an answer I gave, telling me I needed to "give your [sic] head a wobble". I really wanted to say that sarky, dismissive comments don't prove your case, evidence does; and that unlike you, I'm an advocate of critical thinking instead of gut reaction.
I didn't bother.
For our flag-shaggers, stupid is as stupid does.

Have you actually READ the report to government into electoral fraud that was included in my previous post?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a8058bd40f0b62305b8a9d3/eric_pickles_report_electoral_fraud.pdf

It was commissioned in response to massive voting fraud in Tower Hamlets, where the 'elected' mayor, Lutfur Rahman (and his agent, a councillor) were found guilty and the election cancelled. They were disqualified from holding public office FOR 5 YEARS.
This is the court judgement from that case:

https://fieldcourt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Erlam-Ors-v-Rahman-Anor-2015-EWHC-1215-QB-23-April-2015.pdf

Guess what happened after those 5 years.
He was voted straight back in again by the then 40% Muslim population in Tower Hamlets, by exactly the same methods that Raja Miah details in my post.
Tower Hamlets, led by his Aspire council, haven't filed clean accounts for years. Corruption is endemic there.

I would say that it is people like you, 'Wisehare' who still ignore the obvious.
The UK has been very accepting of all faiths, colours and religions, as the vast majority of Brits are, including me. The problem is that tolerance needs to go both ways if a multicultural society is to work. Islam is NOT tolerant of other faiths or laws. As I have previously suggested, READ THE QURAN, look further than BBC for your news. Maybe go to Tower Hamlets or parts of Birmingham with your teenage daughter in a mini-skirt and see what happens.

My personal experience:
My son was told by a Muslim friend that every week in Mulsim Society they pray for the death of all Jews.
I was tutted at in my local hospital by 3 Pakistani(?) men because I had cycled there, and was wearing tight leggings and long-sleeved top.
I was researching a breaking news story about Gaza on BBC News, and when I scrolled back to copy the photo, they had changed it to something less damning to Hamas.
I admit, it's not much, as I live in an area which is not multicultural, as I suspect do many who refuse to believe what is going on elsewhere in the country.

Instead of resorting to insults such as stupid flag-shaggers, I would suggest you get your head out of the sand. No one wants to believe this is happening, I certainly didn't. But the evidence is all around you...

Microsoft Word - Document-EPFraud-v11-notracks + PR numbering 2 (1).docx

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a8058bd40f0b62305b8a9d3/eric_pickles_report_electoral_fraud.pdf

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 10:05

Somemum1 · 02/03/2026 09:56

Have you actually READ the report to government into electoral fraud that was included in my previous post?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a8058bd40f0b62305b8a9d3/eric_pickles_report_electoral_fraud.pdf

It was commissioned in response to massive voting fraud in Tower Hamlets, where the 'elected' mayor, Lutfur Rahman (and his agent, a councillor) were found guilty and the election cancelled. They were disqualified from holding public office FOR 5 YEARS.
This is the court judgement from that case:

https://fieldcourt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Erlam-Ors-v-Rahman-Anor-2015-EWHC-1215-QB-23-April-2015.pdf

Guess what happened after those 5 years.
He was voted straight back in again by the then 40% Muslim population in Tower Hamlets, by exactly the same methods that Raja Miah details in my post.
Tower Hamlets, led by his Aspire council, haven't filed clean accounts for years. Corruption is endemic there.

I would say that it is people like you, 'Wisehare' who still ignore the obvious.
The UK has been very accepting of all faiths, colours and religions, as the vast majority of Brits are, including me. The problem is that tolerance needs to go both ways if a multicultural society is to work. Islam is NOT tolerant of other faiths or laws. As I have previously suggested, READ THE QURAN, look further than BBC for your news. Maybe go to Tower Hamlets or parts of Birmingham with your teenage daughter in a mini-skirt and see what happens.

My personal experience:
My son was told by a Muslim friend that every week in Mulsim Society they pray for the death of all Jews.
I was tutted at in my local hospital by 3 Pakistani(?) men because I had cycled there, and was wearing tight leggings and long-sleeved top.
I was researching a breaking news story about Gaza on BBC News, and when I scrolled back to copy the photo, they had changed it to something less damning to Hamas.
I admit, it's not much, as I live in an area which is not multicultural, as I suspect do many who refuse to believe what is going on elsewhere in the country.

Instead of resorting to insults such as stupid flag-shaggers, I would suggest you get your head out of the sand. No one wants to believe this is happening, I certainly didn't. But the evidence is all around you...

There's not a moment to lose! We must act now to save Brit'in from turning into Bahrain! Our man Nige will sort us out!

whatwouldafeministdo · 02/03/2026 10:21

SionnachRuadh · 02/03/2026 09:07

I mean if you're going to mention "Dunning Kruger" and "flag shaggers" and hold forth on how stupid the median voter is, and go to the point of using a (sic) where none is required, the least you could do is throw in a "methinks". I haven't seen a methinkser in the wild for ages.

😂This is when I wish it was possible to use the clap emoji more than once.

Somemum1 · 02/03/2026 10:27

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 10:05

There's not a moment to lose! We must act now to save Brit'in from turning into Bahrain! Our man Nige will sort us out!

Oh dear.
No ideas / discussion / research, just head in the sand.
I rest my case.

whatwouldafeministdo · 02/03/2026 10:35

UtopiaPlanitia · 28/02/2026 15:55

From 11 mins in, Camilla and Tim discuss the issue of feminists highlighting the voting coercion that happens under strongly patriarchal social mores:

Thanks for linking this. Whilst family voting is concerning, it's surely simply the more visible and blatant representation of postal voting fraud. I am concerned - like Camilla - that it is alleged that women in this country do not feel able to cast their vote according to their own opinion and conscience. Presumably for fear of repercussions (maybe physical violence) if they don't do what a man says.

I'm disappointed by the Conservative result but having watched one of the hustings, the Lib Dem candidate was like a cartoon character of 'woke' she dismissed fears about safety and went on about ICE - which has exactly nothing to do with the local constituency. Batshit.

I did think Hannah presented herself well, and she did say she'd represent the locals and not necessarily toe the party line which personally I found quite reassuring and also - if I lived there - might convince me to vote for her.