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Mumsnet is now backing Reform UK - survey

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IwantToRetire · 05/01/2026 17:24

The ladies are for turning after all – as a new survey reveals that one in five of the politically engaged mothers on the social networking site are ready to pledge allegiance to Nigel Farage

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mumsnet-labour-reform-school-gates-keir-starmer-b2894524.html

Also in full at https://archive.is/V5P6n

If Mumsnet is now backing Reform UK, it’s over for Starmer’s Labour

The ladies are for turning after all – as a new survey reveals that one in five of the politically engaged mothers on the social networking site are ready to pledge allegiance to Nigel Farage, Victoria Richards warns it is the PM’s final death knell

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mumsnet-labour-reform-school-gates-keir-starmer-b2894524.html

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1984Now · 02/03/2026 10:37

Interesting isn't it? The fascist future dawns, but all the left can do is be sarcastic and demean right voters.
You'd think with the impending apocalypse, they'd be trying to convince people to change their minds, even try to understand why people are seriously considering voting Reform.
But no, use the left playbook run unsuccessfully for years now, talk to them like they're idiots.

TempestTost · 02/03/2026 11:00

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2026 02:49

From what I’ve seen the usual suspects are handwaving it away because they “don’t think it’s plausible” and the organisation isn’t impartial because it was set up by “a Conservative Peer” (the horror!)

Would this mean any organisation would have to be set up by an individual who was neutral and had no links to politics?

Somehow I doubt that's the claim. I am sorry, but I find the approach of people on the left really massively blind, do they somehow think their own political figures are uniquely non-partisan?

1984Now · 02/03/2026 11:14

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 10:05

There's not a moment to lose! We must act now to save Brit'in from turning into Bahrain! Our man Nige will sort us out!

"Brit'in"...nope, I don't know anyone who says it that way.
I think this might, just might, be a swipe at all of those too uneducated and gullible to realise they're being sold a bill of goods.
But no, Brit'in is never said, not even once.

Somemum1 · 02/03/2026 11:46

whatwouldafeministdo · 02/03/2026 10:35

Thanks for linking this. Whilst family voting is concerning, it's surely simply the more visible and blatant representation of postal voting fraud. I am concerned - like Camilla - that it is alleged that women in this country do not feel able to cast their vote according to their own opinion and conscience. Presumably for fear of repercussions (maybe physical violence) if they don't do what a man says.

I'm disappointed by the Conservative result but having watched one of the hustings, the Lib Dem candidate was like a cartoon character of 'woke' she dismissed fears about safety and went on about ICE - which has exactly nothing to do with the local constituency. Batshit.

I did think Hannah presented herself well, and she did say she'd represent the locals and not necessarily toe the party line which personally I found quite reassuring and also - if I lived there - might convince me to vote for her.

Yes, the Greens and Hannah's message appeals to the working class and middle-class liberals. They have a very appealing rhetoric: Tax the rich to feed the poor.
Unfortunately, it would bankrupt the country quicker than Labour currently is. Our welfare state is already monstrous, and higher taxes & business costs are already driving business owners, business creators and the wealthy out of UK.

More importantly (due to numbers of voters) it appeals to Muslims.
This is Mothin Ali, their 'deputy' leader, winning the council from Labour in a Leeds ward:

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2028392088279375872/vid/avc1/720x992/NQiQq6RqwZv5df99.mp4?tag=21

Here he is this Saturday at a pro-Ayatollah Islamic regime, anti-West demonstration:
https://x.com/jomickane/status/2027815105514090999?s=20

The Greens distributed a leaflet in Gorton and Denton in Urdu language, which stated:
"Give the faltering walls a push. Labour must be punished for Gaza.
We have to defeat Reform and vote for the Greens.
To give the Muslims a strong voice, give your vote to the Greens."

Strangely it made no mention of the Greens' other policies, such as their view that 'Women can have a penis' and 'Trans women should be allowed in women's refuges and toilets'
It made no mention of their support for equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer, asexual, agender, and aromantic people. (BTW I am not 'phobic' towards any of these groups).

The Greens have allied socialism with Islamism to take as many votes as possible, even if 2 of their main ideologies are completely contradictory. That's why they have Zack heading it, hiding the Islamist control. It didn't end well in Iran for them, and it won't here...

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2028392088279375872/vid/avc1/720x992/NQiQq6RqwZv5df99.mp4?tag=21

1984Now · 02/03/2026 11:55

Somemum1 · 02/03/2026 11:46

Yes, the Greens and Hannah's message appeals to the working class and middle-class liberals. They have a very appealing rhetoric: Tax the rich to feed the poor.
Unfortunately, it would bankrupt the country quicker than Labour currently is. Our welfare state is already monstrous, and higher taxes & business costs are already driving business owners, business creators and the wealthy out of UK.

More importantly (due to numbers of voters) it appeals to Muslims.
This is Mothin Ali, their 'deputy' leader, winning the council from Labour in a Leeds ward:

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2028392088279375872/vid/avc1/720x992/NQiQq6RqwZv5df99.mp4?tag=21

Here he is this Saturday at a pro-Ayatollah Islamic regime, anti-West demonstration:
https://x.com/jomickane/status/2027815105514090999?s=20

The Greens distributed a leaflet in Gorton and Denton in Urdu language, which stated:
"Give the faltering walls a push. Labour must be punished for Gaza.
We have to defeat Reform and vote for the Greens.
To give the Muslims a strong voice, give your vote to the Greens."

Strangely it made no mention of the Greens' other policies, such as their view that 'Women can have a penis' and 'Trans women should be allowed in women's refuges and toilets'
It made no mention of their support for equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer, asexual, agender, and aromantic people. (BTW I am not 'phobic' towards any of these groups).

The Greens have allied socialism with Islamism to take as many votes as possible, even if 2 of their main ideologies are completely contradictory. That's why they have Zack heading it, hiding the Islamist control. It didn't end well in Iran for them, and it won't here...

For these very reasons, I'm weirdly happy the Greens won in G&D.
Now they can't hide behind their fake loveable image anymore, now they really are players, it's time for them to be properly held to account for these views.
I think it's a call to action for every meaningful player in British politics, all the parties have to do better, even Reform.

Somemum1 · 02/03/2026 11:55

Did you know that the Greens former deputy-leader, Shahrar Ali was expelled from the party due to his gender-critical beliefs?

x.com/i/grok/share/c235c6b94893471bbe6a4440d06d9b4f

UtopiaPlanitia · 02/03/2026 15:51

This is an interesting interview with Munira Mirza, I'm watching my way through it at the moment.

She mentioned that various organs of the British State have been naive in allowing community leaders to become intermediaries between them and various ethnic communities - she believes that this has actually served to increase the feelings of isolation/separation within these communities.

Edited to add description of the video:
This week, Michael is joined by Munira Mirza. Raised in Oldham and educated at Oxford, Munira worked at Policy Exchange before serving as Deputy Mayor of London under Boris Johnson and later as Director of the No.10 Policy Unit, where she helped shape the Conservatives’ 2019 election manifesto. She now leads Civic Future and the think tank Fix Britain.

In the first of this two-part interview, Munira reflects on Labour’s vulnerability in the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election, and the ‘serious threat’ it faces if the Muslim votes flees to the Greens. She discusses the politicisation of religious identity, the influence of Islamism in Britain, and what she sees as a failure of public authorities to confront hard truths. They also discuss the news this week that Valdo Calocane – the man who killed three people in Nottingham in 2023 – was released from hospital in 2020 because health professionals were concerned about the disproportionate number of black men who were being detained in the mental health system. Munira argues that fear of being accused of institutional racism has distorted decision-making, a scandal of potentially greater magnitude than the grooming gangs and with serious consequences for public safety.

Finally, she revisits Brexit and the 2019 realignment, defending the decision to leave the EU and arguing that levelling up was an attempt to fix a broken economic model built on high immigration and weak productivity.

Somemum1 · 02/03/2026 16:56

UtopiaPlanitia · 02/03/2026 15:51

This is an interesting interview with Munira Mirza, I'm watching my way through it at the moment.

She mentioned that various organs of the British State have been naive in allowing community leaders to become intermediaries between them and various ethnic communities - she believes that this has actually served to increase the feelings of isolation/separation within these communities.

Edited to add description of the video:
This week, Michael is joined by Munira Mirza. Raised in Oldham and educated at Oxford, Munira worked at Policy Exchange before serving as Deputy Mayor of London under Boris Johnson and later as Director of the No.10 Policy Unit, where she helped shape the Conservatives’ 2019 election manifesto. She now leads Civic Future and the think tank Fix Britain.

In the first of this two-part interview, Munira reflects on Labour’s vulnerability in the upcoming Gorton and Denton by-election, and the ‘serious threat’ it faces if the Muslim votes flees to the Greens. She discusses the politicisation of religious identity, the influence of Islamism in Britain, and what she sees as a failure of public authorities to confront hard truths. They also discuss the news this week that Valdo Calocane – the man who killed three people in Nottingham in 2023 – was released from hospital in 2020 because health professionals were concerned about the disproportionate number of black men who were being detained in the mental health system. Munira argues that fear of being accused of institutional racism has distorted decision-making, a scandal of potentially greater magnitude than the grooming gangs and with serious consequences for public safety.

Finally, she revisits Brexit and the 2019 realignment, defending the decision to leave the EU and arguing that levelling up was an attempt to fix a broken economic model built on high immigration and weak productivity.

Edited

Yes, I listened to this too, very interesting

TempestTost · 02/03/2026 17:45

She mentioned that various organs of the British State have been naive in allowing community leaders to become intermediaries between them and various ethnic communities - she believes that this has actually served to increase the feelings of isolation/separation within these communities.

This has been the left political playbook for decades, and not first in the UK, at least not so overtly. It's infected parts of the right aligned parties as well though not (yet) to the same extent.

It's not just a problem for the reason she states. It's also a way for individuals within various communities to make sure the types of policies they want will be perceived by party leaders as the wishes of that particular community. But quite often what they really represent is the best interests of certian subsections of that community, often those who are already wealthy or influential.

Those people may end of dominating the entire community, or it may end up with a kind of internal struggle or debate in the community that is not visible to outsiders. But either way it is actually a direct assault on the fundamentals of our democratic process. Which is about the political autonomy of individuals, not interest groups (or what claim to be interest groups but are actually something more sinister.)

Heggettypeg · 02/03/2026 18:23

WiseHare · 02/03/2026 08:47

I mean, I truly do wonder about the great British public sometimes ( Truthfully, I don't because I understand about things like Dunning Kruger, echo chambers and dog whistles etc) but what truly gets me is, after all the evidence shows the wool being pulled over their eyes by Farage, Johnston, Starmer and Badenock....ably supported by gutter print media like the Daily Fail and other similarly directed trash papers, They still ignore the obvious and stick to their emotional, gut reaction.

They just don't see it....or more importantly, want to see it.

It's easy to think you are fighting back against the "system" when you go to a hotel and shout at the immigrants......but you are just playing into the hands of the "system" Often described as the Pitchfork people fighting the Firebrand people, whilst ignoring what our Lords and Masters are doing.
The election in Gorton and Denton shows what happens when "The System" doesn't get it's way; the propaganda BS goes through the roof.
We have seen it time and time again, regurgitated by the media to make sure the story runs and runs... and yet, the great British public swallows it all.

Recently, I got the usual right wing one line comment on an answer I gave, telling me I needed to "give your [sic] head a wobble". I really wanted to say that sarky, dismissive comments don't prove your case, evidence does; and that unlike you, I'm an advocate of critical thinking instead of gut reaction.
I didn't bother.
For our flag-shaggers, stupid is as stupid does.

@Somemum1 has provided a detailed description of what she believes is going on. If even half of the examples given are true, it would amount to very serious electoral corruption which needs to be dealt with as a matter of urgency.

You have implied that you don't believe any of it and that you think anyone who believes it is a fool. I would be interested in hearing your evidence that proves it is not happening, for each of the examples mentioned, because it is a serious matter and the public needs to know the truth, one way or the other.

Bertiebiscuit · 02/03/2026 20:18

I voted for Labour all my life. But not at the last election, i will not vote for a party that pretends not to know what a woman is. I didn't vote, which I'm not proud of, but i will probably vote Tory in the next election if they still have Kemi Badenoch as leader, i think she is excellent at challenging the crap that Starmer spouts, she brings out the worst in him for all to see how little respect he has for clever opinionated women and she definitely knows what a woman is and why we need our hard fought for single sex spaces. Just look at how badly Starmer treated Rosie Duffield. That is the deal breaker for me always has been always will be. For women to have any other take on this issue strikes me as the proverbial turkey voting for xmas.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/03/2026 00:55

1984Now · 02/03/2026 11:55

For these very reasons, I'm weirdly happy the Greens won in G&D.
Now they can't hide behind their fake loveable image anymore, now they really are players, it's time for them to be properly held to account for these views.
I think it's a call to action for every meaningful player in British politics, all the parties have to do better, even Reform.

I think the higher level of scrutiny will be very interesting. As I’ve said on other threads, expect more attention paid to their upcoming conference where they apparently have a number of controversial motions.

oldtiredcyclist · 03/03/2026 07:18

TempestTost · 02/03/2026 17:45

She mentioned that various organs of the British State have been naive in allowing community leaders to become intermediaries between them and various ethnic communities - she believes that this has actually served to increase the feelings of isolation/separation within these communities.

This has been the left political playbook for decades, and not first in the UK, at least not so overtly. It's infected parts of the right aligned parties as well though not (yet) to the same extent.

It's not just a problem for the reason she states. It's also a way for individuals within various communities to make sure the types of policies they want will be perceived by party leaders as the wishes of that particular community. But quite often what they really represent is the best interests of certian subsections of that community, often those who are already wealthy or influential.

Those people may end of dominating the entire community, or it may end up with a kind of internal struggle or debate in the community that is not visible to outsiders. But either way it is actually a direct assault on the fundamentals of our democratic process. Which is about the political autonomy of individuals, not interest groups (or what claim to be interest groups but are actually something more sinister.)

Unfortunately, this is happening in all parts of society, where so called "trusted people" are anything but that. In one of the Bradford grooming gang trials, it was found that one of the Pakistani rapists had married his 15 year old victim in an Islamic ceremony. If that wasn't shocking enough, then this will shock you. The senior social worker, in charge of the girl was present at the ceremony, another Pakistani Muslim, Anwar Meah, who was investigated by the police and then released. Seriously, you couldn't make this up, if you made a TV drama about it, people would dismiss it as being too unrealistic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89ezepnj0jo?fbclid=IwY2xjawQTaMRleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBBdENGeU5rTHhEZVpDSmZKc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkR4qNC8-Y9amyEhgKpCPpLWEQv3uZp-AaHwG0Ox88tCjps2B9_9AmwzOPEC_aem_EvSl90YHy3syIZUVdYDycQ

A man with straggly dark hair swept back from his face. he also has a moustached and short beard in this police mugshot.

Man who 'married' care home girl, 15, guilty of sex abuse

The victim was sexually abused by groups of men from the age of 13 in West Yorkshire, a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89ezepnj0jo?fbclid=IwY2xjawQTaMRleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBBdENGeU5rTHhEZVpDSmZKc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkR4qNC8-Y9amyEhgKpCPpLWEQv3uZp-AaHwG0Ox88tCjps2B9_9AmwzOPEC_aem_EvSl90YHy3syIZUVdYDycQ

TempestTost · 03/03/2026 11:08

It's something I've seen Adolph Reed discuss, in the US, who is a Marxist academic who often talks about race issues. He suggests that it is one of the reasons that having a lot of black Americans in leadership positions, mayors, police chiefs, etc, hasn't had the kinds of outcomes for black AMericans many people expected.

He suggests it's a class issue - the people who get to these jobs are middle class, and their economic interests and social views are also typically middle class, and they align to a large extent with the interests of other Americans of all races who are middle class. They may be happy to gain some special advantages that could help their own kids, like extra scholarships, but they don't want to endanger their own economic privilege, and they aren't particularly connected to marginalised neighbourhoods and their needs, because they don't live in those places.

The black working class in the US has interests much more aligned with other working class people, and often social values as well, but they aren't the ones being sought out as community spokespersons or who have jobs in the kinds of industries where they shape policy on these things.

UtopiaPlanitia · 04/03/2026 14:56

This article popped op on TwiX and I thought it might be of interest to this thread. It refutes Popper's articulation of an open society as an ideal. The writer of this article is making arguments against Popper's theory that I think have a lot in common with arguments against the effects of Post Modernism and its desire to remove (or latterly, to queer) societal boundaries:

https://mcrawford.substack.com/p/the-open-society

"In his 1943 work The Open Society and its Enemies, Karl Popper offered one of the early articulations of “the open society” as an ideal. It is an ideal that gathers up some of the West’s dearest principles: universalism, toleration, cosmopolitanism, individualism. As against the chauvinism that is native to political life, the ideal of the open society announces a higher allegiance — to all mankind. Expressing independence from the cramped mindset of parochial attachments, it provides the moral basis for the West’s embrace of mass immigration. There are material interests at stake on the question of how much immigration we should have, and they diverge along class lines. But the adepts of the open society describe the divergence instead along the psychological axis of open-closed, with closedness understood as a failure of moral development.

To stay on the correct end of this axis requires a person to organise his moral energies around a boutique picture of reality. It is a picture that doesn’t even try to comprehend common experience — most pointedly, the experience of receiving millions of migrants from different societies (some of them quite alien to our own), with the attendant dislocations. In sufficient numbers, such immigration is experienced as colonization by those who are not insulated from its negative effects. These include the exploitation of social welfare programs, the increase in sexual violence, and the petty acts of intimidation committed by groups of young and under-socialized male foreigners in shared public spaces. In response, the over-domesticated native population tends to vacate public space, ceding it to the newcomers in a cycle that the French essayist Laurent Obertone calls the ensauvagement of society.

But the downside effect of mass immigration is greater than any such list of tangible harms, and takes place no matter how lovely and civilized individual immigrants may be. Like any people subject to colonization, Westerners today feel dispossessed of a settled lifeworld and shared points of reference. Interacting with the newcomers, for example in a shop or other commercial setting, we tend to restrict our verbal repertoire to the barest exchange of information. We are less likely to risk a witticism, a flirtation, a pun, or indeed any verbal coloration of the sort that depends on a backdrop of mutual comprehension. The social fabric becomes thinner. We retreat into further isolation from one another -- what the sociologist Robert Putnam famously called “hunkering down” in his study of the effects of diversity.

The ideal of the open society doesn’t simply ignore such realities, it gains force precisely as a principled negation of experience. It serves to coordinate elites in the epistemic equivalent of a potlatch: an Olympian disregard for social realities expresses a certain magnificence in those who are able to maintain it. Yet while a traditional potlatch is made possible only by an underlying asceticism (a nobleman must be ready to do without the fine things he destroys), the renunciation demanded by our leaders falls most heavily on those they rule. Embracing the open society is the ultimate luxury belief.

...Popper’s original advocacy of the open society carries over to those who speak today in the idiom of universal “human rights”, as opposed to the civil or political rights that attach to citizens of a particular, bounded nation. Anything bounded is “closed”."

SionnachRuadh · 04/03/2026 16:27

There is also this thing called "the labour market".

Sure, Aaron Bastani wants to welcome refugees, but he'd be pretty scundered if thousands of Persians turn up in the UK who can be political commentators at a much more competitive rate.

UtopiaPlanitia · 04/03/2026 16:56

SionnachRuadh · 04/03/2026 16:27

There is also this thing called "the labour market".

Sure, Aaron Bastani wants to welcome refugees, but he'd be pretty scundered if thousands of Persians turn up in the UK who can be political commentators at a much more competitive rate.

It's funny how that works innit 🤔

The people making and loudly supporting these policies are the people least affected by the negatives of these policies...comme toujours 🙄

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