Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

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Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

There's no disagreeing with definitions. You either accept them and have productive discussions, or refuse them and live in a parallel world.

That's neither how language nor concepts work.

the body of scientific evidence.

There's no such body of scientific evidence. I would know: I've looked for it. As I said, there is zero scientific evidence that the brain of trans people is different or developed differently from the brain of other people. But by all means, if you have access to papers that say otherwise, feel free to link to them. I would be, obviously, extremely interested.

I'd be interested in hearing from @Seethlaw on what "rights" they think should be available to trans people.

@Seethlaw btw what pronouns should I use?

That's exactly how language and concepts work: agree on the definitions of the words and concepts used in a conversation, and then build from there.

Nice avoidance there. You are the one making claims about rights, you need to be able to stand on your point.

Off the top of my head, the only right I think should be available to trans people is the right to not be discriminated against because they are trans. This right is already available both in the UK and in my country.

Everything else I consider to be a privilege, which must not come at the expense of the rights of other vulnerable people. So for example, I don't think trans women should have a right to enter female single sex spaces. In my country, it's still tolerated, as is tolerated my privilege of using the men's toilets, but it should in no way become a right, as that would automatically turn those single sex spaces into mixed spaces, and thus trample the rights of women who need those single sex spaces.

I'm a trans man; use whatever pronouns you feel most comfortable using. Some people here use she, some use they; none of it bothers me, as all of them reflect an aspect of my lived reality.

Puppy needs to be careful here. The wider trans umbrella will not be happy about the possibility of a future scientific test for transness

Agreed. The trans orthodoxy is that being trans is exclusively self-declarational, based on entirely subjective feelings. "I am trans because I say I am." The very concept of a hard, scientific basis for being trans is anathema.

It is illuminating to see one TRA claim that words can effectively, mean anything anyone wants them to mean and that "woman" needs no definition other than "believing oneself a woman" on a thread about another TRA demanding OFCOM censure Talk TV because of the words they used on the basis that specific TRA neo-definitions of those words are the only valid ones.

there is zero scientific evidence that the brain of trans people is different or developed differently from the brain of other people

Not a singular or binary difference if thats what you are imagining? Brains are certainly not binary.

im curious though. You say there is "something wrong with your brain/ psyche" that makes you see yourself as male. Yet you reject a suggestion that there is any difference there.

Could you expand a little more on how you understand this?

Whether singular/binary or not, as far as I'm aware, there's no evidence whatsoever that the brains of trans people are different, or developed differently, from those of other people. On any axis, in any way, in any area.

I don't reject the possibility that there might be a difference. I reject the statement that there is evidence that there's a difference. Maybe future studies will demonstrate that trans brains have a specific peculiarity in some way, but until then this evidence, by definition, doesn't exist.

I'm also open to the possibility that there's no neurological difference to ever be found, and that what I'm experiencing is purely psychological.

We are still waiting for you to provide links to the scientific papers that show being "trans" is "based on a developmental difference in the brain" rather than a social contagion, delusion or paraphilia.

Wait away. I'm not interested in your demands.

The fact that you experience "something wrong with your brain" whereby you see yourself as male and nothing changes this, is evidence ! !

im interested in your suggestion that psychological issues aren't related to the brain and the sharp distinction that you draw between "psychological" and "neurological". Could you justify this?

Is this the episode which ends when you have to put the children to bed?

I think that was Trandora but we haven't seen them for a couple of months. This TRA gives off identical vibes.

@Seethlaw I'm finding your posts really interesting.

It wasn't a demand. If you choose to try & advance your arguments by claiming particular scientific facts then the onus is on you to produce evidence for those facts. If you refuse to provide the evidence then the natural assumption is that the evidence doesn't exist & that you are lying when you make these claims. Alternatively perhaps this is just another bit of arcane mystery that us Muggles simply don't have access to?

This is fear and moral panic about trans people being recognised and having rights.

I think your problem might be less fear and moral panic, and more that 'trans' doesn't really mean anything. Possible a mistake to put '+' on the end of LGBTQ.

That's fine, you think I'm a liar. Next?

The fact that you experience "something wrong with your brain" whereby you see yourself as male and nothing changes this, is evidence ! !

A self-reported feeling is not scientific evidence that my brain is somehow different from other brains. Scientific evidence would be brain scans showing that some area of my brain functions differently, or that the level of some substance in my brain is different from that of other people, and so on. At best, my feeling is a single data point, an indication that there might be something going on somewhere in my brain. That's not what is called "scientific evidence".

Neurological: which refers to the nervous system, including the brain.
Psychological: which refers to the mind.
Are the two intimately linked? Yes.
Are they necessarily the same? We don't know.

I do not draw a "sharp distinction" between the two. I only acknowledge the fact that so far, they have not been proven to be equivalent, so there's a possibility that some conditions are psychological without being neurological.

Note that I have no investment in it being either psychological or neurological or both. Whatever it is, it is.

If this test for identify lady brains and man brains existed, it would certainly be the end of self ID.

I think it was your definition of 'delusion' that settled those arguments for me. Or maybe that was in response to LostCat's posts? In my mind they all run into one long, tedious attempt to help men cross women's boundaries.

A self-reported feeling is not scientific evidence that my brain is somehow different from other brains.

your self-report that you experience "something wrong in your brain/ psyche" whereby you perceive yourself as male (and nothing will change this) despite being born female, is absolutely evidence that there is something different with your brain compared to the norm.

In terms of "psychological" and "neurological":

The best way to understand the difference is "psychological"
refers to the functions and processes of the brain such as thinking, feeling, remembering, learning habits, perceiving etc . These are things that describe how the mind works, not what the brain tissue looks like .

Neurological describes the biological machinery that makes those functions possible (eg neural circuits, synapses, electrical activity, etc).

So they are really two parts of the same system.