Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

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Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Lying by claiming non-existent scientific facts in support of your beliefs isn't a good look. Don't you feel even slightly embarrassed to be caught out in such falsehoods?

trans' doesn't really mean anything

for all those insisting that none of the regulars on these boards claim that being trans isn't a real thing.

Hiya.

As I said to a poster above. I'm not interested in engaging in personal arguments.

Thanks in advance for respecting that boundary.

your self-report that you experience "something wrong in your brain/ psyche" whereby you perceive yourself as male (and nothing will change this) despite being born female, is absolutely evidence that there is something different with your brain compared to the norm.

As I said, my self-report is a data point. A data point is not evidence in the scientific world. Again this pesky matter of definitions raises its head.

Also: this data point doesn't necessarily point to the existence of a trans brain. It might simply point to the fact that I suffer from a specific delusion which hasn't been properly identified and categorised so far.

I notice you're the one drawing a sharp distinction between neurological and psychological. I wonder: where does neuropsychiatry fit in there? Also, I repeat: just because something exists on the psychological level, doesn't mean it's necessarily due to a difference on the neurological level.

for all those claiming that none of the regulars on these boards claim that being trans isn't a real thing.

Blame Stonewall. They have campaigned for the trans umbrella to be so wide that it could cover anyone on the planet.

They say that 'trans' is:

"An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth."

I would be surprised if any poster on this board believes they have a gender that sits comfortably with the sex they were assigned on birth. I'm not sure who does - trad wives?

TRAs like you try to persuade us that there is some innate quality called "trans" but really there isn't as it's just a psychiatric symptom often of a wider disorder. So I think that "trans" is real in that some people like @Seethlaw can have gender dysphoria that is relieved to some extent by presenting as the opposite sex. I also think that "trans" is real in that some men get an enormous sexual thrill out of presenting as the opposite sex. Neither type of "trans" has any innate "transness" just the symptoms of their psychiatric disorder or paraphilia.

But what is trans?

Being transgender used to be having gender dysphoria and wanting to change as many of your secondary sex characteristics as you could. So cross sex hormones, adding/removing breasts, removing genitalia and adding neo ones.

But now it is anything from feeling feminine or masculine or neither or both, no gender dysphoria, no drugs or surgery required. Being transgender is not a mental health issue but also needs heavy medical interventions. It does seem to cause (or is caused by) severe mental health issues (hence the need for interventions).

Being transgender seems to be so personal and internal it is everything for the transgender person, but nothing to the rest of the world

As I said, my self-report is a data point. A data point is not evidence in the scientific world.

A data point absolutely is evidence. That's how scientists learn about things- through observing data points. Of course 1 data point is just one data point and we need more than one. However, You are not the first / only person to "self-report" this type of experience: in Europe we have been studying people self reporting this type of experience in a systematic way for about 100 years, and we therefore have a huge body of similar data points.

point to the existence of a trans brain.

I agree, there's no single thing as "the trans brain" any more than this is a single thing such as "the autistic brain". But few people doubt that autistic people have characteristic brain differences.

in Europe we have been studying people self reporting this type of experience in a systematic way for about 100 years, and we therefore have a huge body of similar data points.

Yes, data points that say that some trans people (certainly not all) feel like I do and want to transition in the way I do. Not data points that point to a difference in our brains, because so far no such difference has ever been found.

I agree, there's no single thing as "the trans brain" any more than this is a single thing such as "the autistic brain". But few people doubt that autistic people have characteristic brain differences.

Because those differences have been found and demonstrated. No such differences have been found for trans brains.

A long time ago when I first became engaged in this issue there was an academic who was positing the hypothesis that gender dysphoria was due to a malfunction of the body mapping area. His research never got off the ground (transphobic).
I think he was maybe onto something. It links to similar body dysphorias, where people see themselves as disabled and perfectly healthy limbs are amputated to ease their psychic pain. One woman threw bleach in her eyes because she believed she was really meant to be blind.

Your self- report that "you experience something wrong in your brain/ psyche" such that you perceive yourself to be male , despite being born female (that this is consistent, persistent, etc), is evidence of a difference of the brain/ psyche. There are lots and lots of people reporting the same experience. This is evidence.

Because those differences have been found and demonstrated. No such differences have been found for trans brains.

Can you expand here what you believe the differences in evidence to be?

Evidence that a lot of people feel the same thing is not evidence that there's an underlying neurological cause to that feeling.

Can you expand here what you believe the differences in evidence to be?

Autism vs trans:

• Strong evidence vs. weak evidence.
• Definite differences vs. potential differences.
• General traits vs subgroup traits.

And so on. Autism, which has been observed for way less time than transidentity, has already managed to amass tons of definitive proofs of differences in genetic makeup and brain anatomy. As far as I know, transidentity, even though being known since the dawn of times, has not managed to find anything that could lead a specialist to say, "This is likely a trans brain," or "Based on their genetic makeup, this person is likely trans."

Actually it does. Definitions stay as definitions until a change catches on and is accepted by the majority of society.

Usually the usage of a word changes first, then the official definitions in dictionaries, then always last, the legal definition.
With the definition of 'woman' the funny thing was dictionaries online changed the definition, but not that of the word 'man', and society actually hadn't changed the usage and looks like it won't, and legally it has been confirmed it hasn't changed either.

This is where transactivists run into problems: top down push to change the meaning of words don't work. This is where language is really living, you can't force people what they can say or how they say it. Free speech and all

Evidence that a lot of people feel the same thing is not evidence that there's an underlying neurological cause to that feeling.

See above on the distinction between neurological and psychological. One describes the functions of the brain the other describes the biological machinery that enables those brain functions. .

Can you give examples of these?

*Autism vs trans:

• Strong evidence vs. weak evidence.
• Definite differences vs. potential differences.
• General traits vs subgroup traits.*

Also-
" definitive proofs of differences in genetic makeup and brain anatomy."
for autism.*

One would be forgiven for thinking if there were such evidence, it would be quickly provided.

The so-called "trans" identity has only existed since doctors started prescribing cross-sex hormones & performing mutilating surgery.

What, a minor difference like being male? That’s a hell of a “minor difference”. That’s like saying anyone can identify as a child, because the discrepancy in age is just a “minor difference”. Do you realise how batshit you sound?

On the definition of the word woman, seems to me that it was historically defined by men as “the sex that’s different to us” which justified subjugating women.

It’s taken maybe ten or fifteen years only since women have taken that definition and turned it to an advantage, before men have tried to turn things around again and say “you know what? Some of us are women too”.

See above on the distinction between neurological and psychological. One describes the functions of the brain the other describes the biological machinery that enables those brain functions. .

Precisely. There's a distinction. Evidence of a common psychological phenomenon is not evidence of a common neurological difference.

Can you give examples of these?

I can't be arsed to do your research for you. Google "neurological differences in autistic brains" vs "neurological differences in trans brain". The differences are there for all to see. The actual, factual links between anatomical and genetic differences and autism are amply documented. The same doesn't exist for transidentity. Go and check if you don't believe me.

When called out on the lie that there is scientific evidence to support the existence of differences in the brain for "trans people" they switched to saying I agree, there's no single thing as "the trans brain" any more than this is a single thing such as "the autistic brain". Which is a smaller lie but still a lie.

Whoever they are they are not entering this discussion in good faith.

Evidence of a common psychological phenomenon is not evidence of a common neurological difference.

god knows how you come to that conclusion when one describes the function and the other the machinery that enables that function. :/

Also for the record- you introduced the word "neurological" for reasons only known to yourself. I spoke of the brain.

I can't be arsed to do your research for you. Google...

I don't need to research Google, I'm interested in how you drew your sweeping conclusions that the evidence for one is qualitatively different from the evidence for the latter. What exists for one, that is lacking for the other?

Anyways.

The arrogance on display here is staggering.
This poster going to great lengths to educate us all on the trans experience, despite not being trans themselves. And when an actual trans person joins the debate who has actual trans experience, they still know better.
Unbelievable.
Your patience and communication style is an absolute credit to you @Seethlaw

Oh and on the subject of being trans not having any benefits or however you phrased it:

A United Nations report indicated that as of March 30, 2024, more than
600 female athletes have lost opportunities, including nearly 900 medals across over 400 competitions in 29 different sports, due to competitors who were assigned male at birth participating in the female category. The exact number of individual girls and women affected beyond these specific medal and event statistics is difficult to quantify precisely across all levels of sport, as data is not always systematically tracked or publicly reported.

• Medal and Competition Losses: The UN report, titled "Violence against women and girls in sports," highlighted that the inclusion of transgender women in the female category has resulted in female athletes losing podium finishes and competitive opportunities.
• Multiplier Effect: Some reports suggest a "multiplier effect" where hundreds of transgender athletes participating in women's sports could be affecting "tens of thousands of women and girls" by influencing participation rates, rankings, records, and scholarship opportunities beyond just top-tier events.

So, quite a few benefits there for these cheating men. And countless women and girls denied opportunities they have trained hard for all their life for, and in the worst cases denied an education and the opportunity to be lifted out of poverty.
It's fucking shameful. Moral panic is an insult.
And as usual, the trans marker is overwhelmingly beneficial for transwomen, not transmen in this respect. I have no idea of your sporting prowess @Seethlaw but I'm guessing you're not about to be entering male competitions and smashing their world records any time soon.

And this is 'just' sport. We all know the wider consequences for women's safety and dignity by allowing men, however they identify, into female single sex spaces.

Also for the record- you introduced the word "neurological" for reasons only known to yourself. I spoke of the brain.

I'm speechless. What do you think is the medical adjective term relating to the brain?

What exists for one, that is lacking for the other?

I already answered that question.

This is ballony.

I totally respect that poster on how she describes her own personal lived reality. I would not question / dispute that for a second.

I do not agree with her gender critical beliefs, or how she theorises "sex", "female", "male". Nor does she appear to have a lot of understanding of the science of brains. I'm perfectly entitled to challenge her on those aspects; and arrogance has nothing to do with it.

I totally respect that poster on how she describes her own lived reality.

Could have fooled me.