I wonder what the WI are going to announce on Woman's Hour in the next few minutes?

[nauticant]

Apparently it will be a matter of the greatest seriousness and sorrow.

So it's a group for men who want to be women and women who are happy to listen to them wanging on about their experiences of pretending to be women.

Haha has anyone noticed that only the TRAs who come on here do that 😂

Absolutely. And , in addition, as they clearly express and have done repeatedly, that trans women are women.

It's amazing value, though. The membership fee is meant to cost £51 a year; but you can get it absolutely free, as they firmly believe that non-payers who identify as having paid are exactly the same as those who have paid up.

It’s an institution for ‘women’ - clue is in the title.

Only one set of biological markers determines whether someone is a woman. It’s not the ‘human experience institution’ 🙄

Why can’t women have anything just for themselves without men inserting themselves. Pun intended.

And entirely correct, hence the lack of rebuttal.

Have the members been polled?

Thinking men cannot be women does not detract from any of this.

It just means you're not a liar.

Absolutely. And , in addition, as they clearly express and have done repeatedly, that trans women are women.

Yes, that works if you define woman as 'any adult'.

For reference - the Mothers' Union will have mothers, non mothers, men

You seem slightly confused.

There is nothing preventing the WI from changing their constitution so that they are a mixed sex organisation, like the Mother's Union, and respect is not sex dependent.

Yes, just been to read it following your comment. No longer in the WI. Was tempted to write “ohh, I might rejoin now!”

Maybe they should just change their name to Schrödinger's Women's Institute and their motto to 'Exclusively for women and anybody else'.

No. This was a top down implementation of a policy that the members did not want.
If I remember correctly one of the key bods is married to a transwoman. So the change to the entire organisation might have been caused by that one man.

Yes, that seems to be what people are arguing for.

Are there any other national mixed-sex general hobby-type groups out there? There's the U3A and other 'lifelong learning' type groups.

How do we differentiate from

Trans women. Authentic who are or have transitioned who fully want to and are wanting to fully be a woman with relevant treatments in process, of have undergone.

(This is where I would say trabswomen are women)

Vs

Transvestites who say they are trans women

Who live as men but dress as women, as a hobby or fetish. Have no interest in transitioning.

This is where I get confused and deelvits a grey area.

Does trans mean transvestite or trans sexual who has transitioned or in process of it, as it seems to to be both atm

And here is where problem lies

Is it hayley from corra transsexual or transvestite doing it for a hobby.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

ah good one! Got anymore belters like that?

I entirely disagree with your logic and so does the women's institute. And when we allow competing perspectives to coexist , in part through a free and independent civil society and rights to freedom of association, that's the beauty of a democratic society, wouldn't you say?

Bloody hell. It is only Wednesday!

It is certainly anti-democratic that a civil society group has been forced to restrict their membership against their core values because of (interpretations) of state law.

No, no.

The WI was set up for women. The clue is in the name.

Men cannot join the WI, because they're not women.

Transwomen cannot join the WI, because they're men, and men are not women.

Oh and we don't have "state law" in the UK.

HTH.

yes I would love to see the statistics on this! Can’t imagine there were that many in the 80s!!

Well I'm much more likely to join now.

This is apparently how it has happened in many organisations. One high up person is related to a trans identifying person and imposes the whole thing top down upon everyone else.

I read the GG thread y/day, now this one; that was where my mind went too.

The tone in both is "We have no choice but to legally comply, and are sad about it"

Oh you do have more,,. That one is almost as good

Really pleased it’s changed but like GG the male centric sadness is not required.