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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I wonder what the WI are going to announce on Woman's Hour in the next few minutes?

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nauticant · 03/12/2025 10:30

Apparently it will be a matter of the greatest seriousness and sorrow.

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TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/12/2025 11:27

What kind of country is this becoming

One that is gradually allowing women to take back the meagre protections that the TRAs were intent on taking from us.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/12/2025 11:28

Now who else has the same lawyers that might be making announcements?

NoFineBalance · 03/12/2025 11:28

Bollocks. I’m helping a friend out at WI next week. Too late to let her down, but I will be wearing my adult human female T-shirt.

nicepotoftea · 03/12/2025 11:28

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:18

Absolutely. And , in addition, as they clearly express and have done repeatedly, that trans women are women.

So sexism is one of their values?

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/12/2025 11:28

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:18

Absolutely. And , in addition, as they clearly express and have done repeatedly, that trans women are women.

Yeah but they're not, are they?

Or okay - convince me. Tell me the definition of a woman first, and we'll go from there.

ThatCyanCat · 03/12/2025 11:29

SternJoyousBeev2 · 03/12/2025 11:24

🤣🤣🤣🤣

ah good one! Got anymore belters like that?

He also did "the independence of civil society organisations as a core democratic value and an essential element for a strong and healthy democracy". That was quite funny.

I think he's trying to counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of women having knobs. (IYKYK!)

FragilityOfCups · 03/12/2025 11:30

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:24

I entirely disagree with your logic and so does the women's institute. And when we allow competing perspectives to coexist , in part through a free and independent civil society and rights to freedom of association, that's the beauty of a democratic society, wouldn't you say?

Edited

You don't think women are 'any adult'? You think there should be some other criterion?
Yet you don't know what that is apart from the circular 'woman' which you seem to define as 'any adult'.

I would love to know what your "competing perspective" actually is on what differentiates men and women but you seem to want to keep that to yourself.

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:30

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/12/2025 11:24

It is certainly anti-democratic that a civil society group has been forced to restrict their membership against their core values because of (interpretations) of state law.

No, no.

The WI was set up for women. The clue is in the name.

Men cannot join the WI, because they're not women.

Transwomen cannot join the WI, because they're men, and men are not women.

Oh and we don't have "state law" in the UK.

HTH.

By state law I was referring to the laws of nation States.

Transwomen cannot join the WI, because they're men, and men are not women.

that is not the view of the women's institute, and does not express their values.

And when we allow people to hold different , competing opinions and values , and to express/ live those out, through a free and independent civil society and freedom of association , that's a core component of democracy wouldn't you say?

SternJoyousBeev2 · 03/12/2025 11:30

Lovelyindevon · 03/12/2025 11:11

How cruel.

Basically telling some members to fuck off, get back in your hole.

I'd imagine this was a safe space for many. Not anymore.

This was in the Guardian this morning.

“As an organisation that has proudly welcomed transgender women into our membership for more than 40 years, this is not something we would do unless we felt that we had no other choice.”
Transgender WI members known to the leadership team at the organisation had already been informed of the decision before an announcement, said Green.
“They’ve been so respectful and so understanding of the decision, but profoundly sad,” she said. “I spoke to one 80-year-old woman who has been in our organisation for decades, who said it was one of the greatest experiences of her life, and the only place in her 80 years where she’s been treated as a woman with respect.”

I'd have thought the WI would have had more bottle. They should be ashamed of themselves.

For reference - the Mothers' Union will have mothers, non mothers, men.

😂😂😂

women’s shit is for women…not for a self selecting group of men.

OneBookTooMany · 03/12/2025 11:30

If only every gender critical woman who is a member of the WI resigned from it.

Even better, if all the resignations could be co-ordinated to happen at the same time-say midnight on December 31st.

All the women could still go on meeting where ever they meet, doing what they always do but calling themselves another name.

These idiots have really got to be hit in the pocket and when they lose their jobs because the new sisterhood groups aren't enough to keep the wheels on, they might actually learn the lesson that no man is a woman.

FragilityOfCups · 03/12/2025 11:31

Every time a TRA says 'democracy' another organisation reluctantly decides to stick to the SC ruling.

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:31

ThatCyanCat · 03/12/2025 11:29

He also did "the independence of civil society organisations as a core democratic value and an essential element for a strong and healthy democracy". That was quite funny.

I think he's trying to counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of women having knobs. (IYKYK!)

"he"?

Is it your common practice to misgender people as a weapon? Or are you simply daft enough to truly believe that all women have one opinion (yours) on this subject ?

Slothtoes · 03/12/2025 11:31

Leader of WI just now on WH just said ‘it’s not the role of EHRC to tell us the law or tell us how to interpret it for our organisation’

YES, IT LITERALLY IS

Easytoconfuse · 03/12/2025 11:32

FrayaMorstater · 03/12/2025 10:56

Ffs 🙄

And I retain my strong belief that you are not an organisation I can identify with. I'll still buy your cookbooks though.

SexRealismBeliefs · 03/12/2025 11:32

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:16

Decent, educated and open minded individuals, capable of perceiving diversity and complexity in human experience.

You’re failing to perceive diversity if you want to categorize men with gender dysphoria as women.

It takes away the diversity of their trans identifying manhood and their lived experience as men.

Support their experience as people with a significantly different diverse experience to biological women.

OneBookTooMany · 03/12/2025 11:33

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:18

Absolutely. And , in addition, as they clearly express and have done repeatedly, that trans women are women.

Get to feck and when you are there, read a biology book, there's a good chap.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 03/12/2025 11:33

Wellshellsbells · 03/12/2025 11:24

yes I would love to see the statistics on this! Can’t imagine there were that many in the 80s!!

How would they know? - the leadership have stated that TWAW, so following this logic it is impossible to differentiate between women and TW

Unless of course they actually understand that TWANW and the rest is just pretend

SexRealismBeliefs · 03/12/2025 11:33

Slothtoes · 03/12/2025 11:31

Leader of WI just now on WH just said ‘it’s not the role of EHRC to tell us the law or tell us how to interpret it for our organisation’

YES, IT LITERALLY IS

Why are these people so eager to show their lack of intelligence or indeed basic comprehension?

ThatCyanCat · 03/12/2025 11:33

Slothtoes · 03/12/2025 11:31

Leader of WI just now on WH just said ‘it’s not the role of EHRC to tell us the law or tell us how to interpret it for our organisation’

YES, IT LITERALLY IS

The thing is, once you've said that men can be women, there's no further absurdity or falsehood you can give to top it. You've hit the limit. So yeah, you might as well also say that courts don't make rulings on law.

NotInMyyName · 03/12/2025 11:34

The real prospect of legal action has twisted their arm to take action.

This must be as a result of the RECENT high profile ETs and court cases.

Maybe the tear stained statements are to ward off the male backlash? 😭😭😭

nicepotoftea · 03/12/2025 11:34

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:09

Certainly looking less and less like a democratic one

If you want to campaign to remove women's rights, you are free to do so.

The Supreme Court cannot change the law. They can only interpret existing legislation.

It's surprising that anyone with an interest in this subject isn't already aware of this.

Chersfrozenface · 03/12/2025 11:34

I still don't see how it can be legal to admit men who claim to be women into a "WI Sisterhood group" but not admit other men.

So these groups, legally, have to be open to all men, no?

FragilityOfCups · 03/12/2025 11:34

SexRealismBeliefs · 03/12/2025 11:33

Why are these people so eager to show their lack of intelligence or indeed basic comprehension?

It's almost as if they don't really care about being truthful, isn't it?

Comtesse · 03/12/2025 11:35

puppymaddness · 03/12/2025 11:04

I hope the SC are taking note of the ridiculous consequences of their shallowly thought-through judgement.
that civil society organisations are having to exclude people from their membership, against their values, because of (their interpretation of) the law. What kind of a country is this becoming?

Mmm sad times - just imagine, the law of the land being applied in practice without exception…

SternJoyousBeev2 · 03/12/2025 11:35

😂😂😂

oh dear…wipes tears from eyes…it’s nothing to do with their values. It’s about sticking to their charter and the reason for their existence. They were illegally discriminating against men without special identities. They rely on single sex exemptions in the EA2010 to keep men out…except they were including TW so were not operating as single sex. It’s really very simple and not at all complicated.

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