Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

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Have just had an email from them...

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

its hot a view, it’s an easily verified fact. As well you know.

Trans people in the UK do not have the same rights as everyone else in several concrete ways.

A trans woman (even with a Gender Recognition Certificate) can be legally excluded from women’s refuges, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, toilets and support groups whenever the provider wants. A cis woman cannot be excluded from those same spaces.

A trans woman is banned from competing in the female category of virtually every elite sport. Cis women face no such blanket ban.

Trans people under 18 are banned from accessing puberty blockers or hormones on the NHS and now privately too, no matter what doctors or parents think is best. Cis teenagers with medical needs get treatment.

Adult trans people wait five to ten years for a first NHS appointment and many GPs still refuse to prescribe hormones even when told to by a specialist. Cis patients do not face that delay or refusal for comparable healthcare.

There is still no self-ID. Changing your birth certificate requires a panel, a dysphoria diagnosis and two years of evidence. Most countries in Europe ditched that system years ago.

Even with a GRC your legal sex for the purposes of the Equality Act remains your birth sex, as confirmed by the Supreme Court this year. So the certificate changes almost nothing in practice.

Trans pupils can be forced to use facilities matching their birth sex and schools are now told to prioritise teaching “biological sex” over social transition.
Those are not theoretical gaps. They are daily,
enforceable differences in rights that no cis person has to deal with.

I bet my mortgage lofty isn't married

I don't care what you 'identify as'. Stop trying to force us to believe your nonsense.

Lesbians are not attracted to men however they identify.

Humans cannot change sex.

She’s allowed to reject your ideology. She isn’t forcing anything on you, @OneLoftyPombear- most people don’t share your genderist belief. The people you call “trans women” are men. As such they have no place in female spaces, and they are straight, gay or bisexual men, not “lesbians”.

No I’m a cis woman married to a cis woman with kids

Spicy straights and people who identify as ‘queer’ for oppression points are not lesbians. Lesbians are females who are exclusively attracted to other females.

sexual orientation is about SEX and not gender
It’s incredibly bigoted to try and re-frame same sex attraction to same gender attraction. It’s utterly offensive and you should be ashamed.

Using the echo chamber of Reddit as evidence that men can be lesbians is pathetic.

So they have all the rights of their SEX. Samee as everyone else.

Sexual orientation is about gender,

No it is not, the clue is in the word SEXual it is about sex. It is not homogenderal, heterogenderal, bigenderal is it?

The low depths this misogynistic and homophobic ideology and its adherents will stoop to knows no bounds.

you’re not getting it, are you?
Transwomen are men and trans men are women.
That's a fact not an opinion.

This is my concern but obviously given My circumstances I’m also passionate about rights for trans people

The reason why transwomen are banned from these things is because they're not women.

Duh

please stay within the law.

Girl guide age trans people.

You seem to be concerned about how to access lesbian bars.

Aka 'trans people can't do whatever they want wah wah wah'.

Why would 'cis" teenagers be taking puberty blockers?

i was going to suggest returning to reddit @OneLoftyPombear but this is going to pour gallons of disinfectant and peak trans many more people. Please do carry on!

Totally 😁

Has any one noticed how many of the scolders seem to know a trans 4 year old.

I’ve just rejoined the thread. Totally confused with a poster who had a trans son at midday and now a trans daughter in the evening. Hard to keep up.

Maybe they all know the same one 🤔

What utter drivel.

Transwomen are men, therefore they have no right to be in women's hospital wards or women's sports etc etc etc. They belong in men's spaces because they are men. They are perfectly well protected in law - they are protected from sex discrimination and from gender reassignment discrimination. If anything they have more rights and protections than other people.

Why do you hate women so much?

Isn't it just?!

Who also just happens to be a 'cis woman married to a cis woman' who totally thinks lesbians are just grand with jumping into bed with transwomen.

Righto.

90% of autistic women and girls are sexually assaulted during our lives. Not sexually harrassed, sexually assaulted.

I was eight the first time it happened. Yes, I wrote "first time".

Guides was a place I could go to where I didn't have to fear bring sexually assaulted again and where I could study for badges that reflected my interests. Aging out of Guides, I faced a choice between attending a mixed "Raven" (combined Venture Scout and Ranger Guide) unit or quitting. I feared rape, so I quit. I was suicidal within 18 months, in part because I'd lost a fun single-sex space where I got to build fires and read maps and solve problems.

Disabled women and girls self-excluding from single sex spaces has consequences for those women and girls.

All disabled women are more likely than our able-bodied, non-SEN peers to be subjected to sexual assault. The perp is almost always male. Why should we be elbowed out of spaces like Guides by men and boys who claim a special identity?

Why do you hate women so much?

Ooh I think I know the answer! 🙋

Haha! Totally. You can see it from space 😁