Man who transitioned to female sues expert for discrimination after being told breastfeeding was delusional

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A transgender mother who underwent medical treatment to breastfeed her newborn son is suing a breastfeeding expert who publicly dismissed her experience as a 'delusional queer theory take'.

Former Australian Breastfeeding Association volunteer counsellor Jasmine Sussex will face a Queensland tribunal next year over claims she discriminated against Brisbane transgender woman Jennifer Adrian Buckley.

The tribunal will decide if Ms Buckley was discriminated against under the Queensland Anti-Discrimination Act over a series of social media posts by Ms Sussex.

Article continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15274697/Jennifer-Buckley-Jasmine-Sussex-transgender-breastfeeding.html

NB Use of propouns at those in the article. So any complaints should go straight to the DM!

Same time again.

If anyone's tried to explain their training, I missed that. I am posting while multi-tasking.

Then, respectfully, take time to go back and look at the links and reasoning that people have taken time to share with you.

I stand by my previous posts.

You are naive and trying to invalidate others lived experience.

Why is it always about the lived experiences of transwomen? Why is it never about women?

It's almost as if the very essence of it all is sexist in itself. Which it is.

Women have to defer to men and then are told that 'oh well I've never heard any complaints so it can't be much of a problem'. The issue with that being played out in spectacular fashion in several court cases which are demonstrating that complaints simply aren't allowed or are rejected by the system and instead turned against women for speaking out.

Women live in fear of complaining about this subject. They are shamed and ostracised. Or as we also see, and I refer to my previous post, there are attempts to punish often through process...

Bloody sexually deviant paedophile.

So can this person feed their baby milk from their breast or not?

I posted acknowledging that I might well be naive and explaining why that is.

I have looked at the links but haven't got very far yet. The first one is dead and links to some dodgy website. The Google ones are taking an age to load. One or two seem to be from biased sources. It was interesting about the BBC and its bias. I do wish there was more info from neutral sources.

Umm you can be GC but your words are disturbing. This person is excited about breastfeeding their baby. I was the same. Calling someone a deviant peadophile for this is messed up.

I don't know whether anyone has done research into this.

A quick Google and AI summary confidently tells me that "Male breast milk has a similar fat content to female breast milk" , however it has based this on 2 articles, 1 from La Leche league and 1 from the guardian, which are actually referencing lactating females, not males.

Did you miss this then? Extreme transgender activists attacked Brighton Centre on Kings Road because women were meeting to discuss women's needs.

https://archive.is/aqZSn

They want a baby to suck their nipples for no nutritional reason. I think that's deviant behaviour.

But if she’s producing milk then of course it’s nutritional?

It's not milk. That's the point.

Hth.

Would you be OK with fathers generally putting their nipples in a baby's mouth for no nutritional benefit?

Or does the posession of a trans gender identity magically make this dubious activity OK?

Bloody hell, yes, I totally missed that. I was in the area on that date, but going through complete hell clearing out my late father's house full of sixty years' crap, getting everything ready in time for exchange about a week after that date. And organising shipping to my adopted country, etc. It was a truly awful time and I didn't look at the local news. Nor did I have a TV, since it had already gone. I might have seen it if I'd still had a TV there to be on in the background. Am going to read it now. Thank you.

Or for not breastfeeding, even.

This is disgraceful, what a revolting creep. That poor woman, a volunteer too, devoting her life to mums and babies and gets dragged through all this nonsense

This is an absolutely excellent point

But you’re a mother. It’s the biological norm for you to BF.

I bet you’d think differently of your baby’s dad if he told you he was excited to BF.

I hear that you are saying and there are a lot of aspects of this issue that challenge many of our comfortable views of the risks.

One is the issue of ‘outliers’ as an explanation of some things.

We are used to the fact that in every topic we can find extreme and shocking examples of things, anomalies or rare occasions where something has gone badly wrong. But in those situations it is generally the case that something has indeed gone wrong and it will either be rectified or things changed to prevent them from happening again.

For example, the problem with a lack of traceability of convictions for school staff that occurred with Ian Huntley instigated the introduction of the then CRB checks, now DBS.

The difference nowadays is that the very institutions built to protect us have rules and policies in place that deliberately ignore safeguarding and knowingly allow harm to be done to women and children.

For example, the men able to sexually assault women imprisoned with them, or girls at school made to feel uncomfortable to being forced to change in front of boys. The NHS transplant patient put onto a general ward with no infection control which nearly killed get because of the NHS policy of putting men who identify as women either in a side room or a female ward instead of in a male ward.

Once you realise that these horrendous things are knowingly and deliberately being inflicted on us it changes everything.

Where is the harm in reading information from what you consider 'biased' or 'dodgy' sites and then fact checking yourself? Or asking here for an alternative source?

If left wing media has been avoiding this topic, why would you then dismiss media who DO cover it and then do what we all do and fact check it all. Hence why so many of us have deep knowledge about the topics covered on this board.

By the way, which sites are you calling a 'dodgy' websites? And which sites are you calling 'biased'?

Are you finding it hard to access the archive.is site links? They are provided to get around both paywalls, or to post an unmodified article or page. However, sometimes archive sites will not work.

Just ask about the links that you find problematic. However, it really is coming across like you have some pretty entrenched prejudices in media.

Yeah. It would be nice to have more info from 'neutral' sources. But WTAF constitutes a 'neutral' source considering the BBC and the Guardians woeful track record on these topics?

It is a liquid produced by a male body after taking several different drugs including testosterone suppressant and a lactation stimulant that is known to cause heart problems.

In what way do you think that is safe or nutritional for a baby? Bearing in mind the super strict rules and requirements women who breastfeed have to adhere to?

That sounds like a tough time for you.

However, you might also want to read about Sian Berry's reaction too.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5425390-sian-berry-the-attack-on-fila-conference?page=1

Just following on from your comment about 'neutrality', Sian Berry is certainly not supporting women who were having an international conference about the very wide range of issues women and girls face today.

Maybe you should read the thread and the links posted.

This link womanmeanssomething.com/targetstudy/ is broken and redirects to a weird website. It's one of the first ones on the Resources thread that you linked for me. Worth noting I'm accessing this from the USA. Does it show up as something called foodinloveid for you too?

I was just giving my first impressions of the links having clicked on a few. Yes, I can look up counter-arguments, of course. And I agree that the Beeb and Guardian are not neutral sources. I included Sex Matters as biased when I saw its purpose, but I would need to spend time reading to see if it has any balance, to be fair.

Galactorrhea in male people used to just be an indication of pituitary tumours and other cancers.

Look up the galactorrhea in male people and see what results you get. Then tell us that this substance is exactly the same composition to female breastmilk that has been tailored to needs of that specific infant through the interaction of the mother and infant.