Man who transitioned to female sues expert for discrimination after being told breastfeeding was delusional

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A transgender mother who underwent medical treatment to breastfeed her newborn son is suing a breastfeeding expert who publicly dismissed her experience as a 'delusional queer theory take'.

Former Australian Breastfeeding Association volunteer counsellor Jasmine Sussex will face a Queensland tribunal next year over claims she discriminated against Brisbane transgender woman Jennifer Adrian Buckley.

The tribunal will decide if Ms Buckley was discriminated against under the Queensland Anti-Discrimination Act over a series of social media posts by Ms Sussex.

Article continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15274697/Jennifer-Buckley-Jasmine-Sussex-transgender-breastfeeding.html

NB Use of propouns at those in the article. So any complaints should go straight to the DM!

FFS! Enough with the dismissal!

Instead of asking "But what proportion of the trans population do these bad actors represent?"

you should be asking

HOW MANY CHILDREN SHOULD BE HARMED BEFORE INFANTS ARE TO BE SAFEGUARDED?

and

How many women and children should be harmed before ALL male people above the age of 8 years old are fully excluded from female single sex provisions?

It doesn't MATTER what "% of the trans population these bad actors represent"!

I think it's quite possible that posters here are focusing too much on bad actors, who aren't the majority.

That is your assumption, presumably because you want to think well of people, do it’s understandable.

Trouble is, when you’ve been looking g st this a while it becomes blindingly obvious that that is not the case. Additionally, we know that the bad ones are out there and seem to be quite numerous. Currently many systems and organisations are set up to explicitly enable the bad ones.

This is what we are pushing back against. In previous years, when these men generally kept to themselves and were in very very small numbers, it didn’t impinge do much on women’s rights and safeguarding of women s d children. But now they are invading the most female of women’s spaces and services and are being supported in that by activists and ignorant do gooders.

It is causing serious harm, even to tiny babies. Why would anyone turn a blind eye to that?

But since transwomen produce so little anyway, it sounds as if it'll be a non-issue.

How can it be a ‘non issue’ that some doctors and hospitals allow men who are more likely than not to have lactation fetishes to enact them on helpless babies and give them even a small amount of untested liquid that definitely has harmful drugs in it? Why are we even letting them try? It’s not for the benefit of the baby.

I will do some reading before posting again. Like I said, perhaps I am naive.

Peace. 💐

I was distracted earlier, what about the fat profile of the men's goop? Milk has different types of fat in it, what if they're producing mainly saturated, or a high % of triglycerides?

Poor baby, being reared in this household. I hope somewhere a researcher has already begun a longitudinal study of the impact of this deplorable practice on the child. Of course it's all about the trans woman. The birth mother is an enabler. The baby would not starve without this drug-laden 'breast milk' to sustain it.

Her name is Jasmine Sussex and she is to go through a tribunal case next year. Hence she is in the process of publicising this to crowd fund.

'Speaking out on the explosive vilification case launched by Brisbane transwoman Jennifer Buckley, who has taken a former breastfeeding counsellor to the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal for challenging her decision to nurse her newborn son, Ms Alsalem said people born male "do not breastfeed by definition".

Those resources probably don't even cover the incidents that Ophelia mentioned or that I mentioned.

Most of those resources in the links I have posted are for those going through court or that have been convicted. Just so you are aware of the difference.

@SoftBalletShoes wanting to deepen bonding with your child is not a valid reason to poison him/her.

I bonded a lot with my last DS during nights spent in hospital with him. Does that justify my breaking his leg to generate more hospital nights?

There is a fucking huge ravine between bonding with your child and demanding that you, as a male person, should feed your untested breast secretions to them.

Dad and infant skin time is not Dad having their infant child suck their nipple.

AND she was sacked as a volunteer bf counsellor.

I wouldn't even know where or how to find those incidents, and I'm not going to Google it. Quite apart from simply not wanting to type out such gross things, I'd rather the police didn't turn up at my door!

Fair enough.

My point was that Ophelia was not making stuff up and what she mentioned has been self published on social media over the years. And again, the point is twofold.

Firstly, we cannot tell good intentioned male people from the others.
Secondly, therefore in the name of robust safeguarding a blanket exclusion should apply.

Maybe though, you should also read up on the current BBC issue where an independent report has highlighted just how little any article that portrays any trans person in a negative light is published by them. Even when other mainstream media have covered it. The reason has been identified that the LGBT news desk would ignore any news item that didn't celebrate people with transgender identities.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/when-will-the-bbc-face-up-to-the-truth/

Maybe that will answer part of your question as to why you might not be reading what we have been reading for years.

For instance, when the issue with the NHS Sussex writing in a letter about supporting male people breastfeeding was in the news, the BBC did a segment and asked on an 'expert'. The expert was a gender studies professor who just repeated that of course these 'women' should be helped to breastfeed, and repeated that it was proven safe. When it has never been proven safe at all. But this is what has been happening.

The breastfeeding thing is just silly. Transwomen can't breastfeed and they should accept that and use formula, as most do.

But This. Thread. Is. Literally. About. Transwomen. Being. 'Silly'. And. Then. Throwing. Their. Weight. About. And. Not. Accepting. This. And. In. The. Process. Lashing. Out. At. Women. Saying. This. Isn't. Just. 'Silly'. It's. Putting. Very. Young. Babies. (Y'know, the actual most vulnerable in our society) At. Risk.

AND THEN

Vindictively taking them to court for saying this to punish the women saying this as if the women are to blame for reality.

This is the point. It's abusive behaviour by males who don't like hearing the word no.

There isn't anything 'hateful' about being extremely pissed off at this abuse of the system and the act of trying to punish women.

One of my biggest problems with my brother was precisely this - jealously, inflicted on women, because of an unresolved anger at women for being women through no fault of their own. It does manifest and we need to be honest that it's problematic.

This is all about a form of male power punching down on women for existing. It's rage fuelled jealousy which is justified with the poisonous accusation of transphobia because it's effective sadly.

Instead of dealing with reality women are supposed to ignore every act that crosses this line between self expression and abuse of others in the pursuit of an unachievable and unrealistic fantasy. It's an unwillingness to accept there are boundaries.

Once you see and understand how many males ARE taking it too far and are acting in this abusive way in all manner of situations you can't unsee it.

Not all but actually most because the act of using female facilities and pronouns and getting angry when women complain or don't comply is actually part of this.

This isn't transphobia, it's a recognition of male pattern abuse and punching down on women as a men's to deal with their own male insecurities and unachievable demands that women can never actually satisfy even if they try, because the jealousy always remains.

It doesn't matter how understanding or sympathetic women are, ultimately they ''never understand" and that's part of the complex. Women are socialised to try and satisfy and please, yet this behaviour actually puts them at risk, because it's never enough. No matter what women do, it is never enough. No matter how much they validate, accept etc etc - because ultimately they know women know they are men and they can't cease to be men.

And women must be made to feel guilty and if they don't they must be made guilty.

It repeats over and over.

That nutty psychiatrist who wanted 'love and treats' for Dr Upton is pro male bf (and happy to give away other women's rights).

x.com/HattyFeldman/status/1676195301747458048?s=20

You'd think the GMC / RCPsych would have rules about that kind of thing but they're probably as captured as everywhere else in the NHS.

Whatever happened to 'first, do no harm'?

@RedToothBrush (and also the others who have replied to me)

I'm not including your post in my reply, just to try to avoid cluttering the thread too much.

I must have been lucky or walk around with my eyes shut, because off the internet and back in the real world, I don't see transpeople causing problems in everyday life. I am NOT saying problems don't exist; my purpose in saying this is to explain why I might be naive:

I've spent much of the last three years back in my hometown, which is Brighton!!! I've spent time going to loos in restaurants, the occasional hotel (as there's a dearth of public loos at the eastern end of town), and trying on stuff, and I've never seen a single transwoman in any loo or changing room. And that's in Brighton, of all places! I don't even really see them as I walk around. They are actually a minute percent of the population, off the internet and back in the real world. No one I know in Brighton has ever had an issue, either, and we all use the Marks Brighton changing rooms frequently. I've heard no conversation or gossip or rumours about any problems, basically. Not saying there are none, I'm explaining my innocence.

@OpheliaWitchoftheWoods I looked at that website. Why would you look at such a thing?! There are many hate sites, like that gross Chan thing. (Not going to type the name.) There's hate of all stripes on the internet. Just don't look at it or focus on it! If you do, of course it will seem endemic.

OMG you are still totally missing the point.

Your reasoning seems to be that, because you, personally, haven't had a problem we can just ignore all the women who have?

Women have literally been raped after being jailed with transwomen sex offenders. Is that OK with you? Because it wasn't you, or anyone you know? Because it doesn't happen very often? How many would be OK with you?

For the 999th time, not all men are rapists, yet we still keep them out of women and children's spaces.

Same goes for trans women.

Can you really, truly, not understand this?

I wasn't saying any of those things. My purpose was to explain why I might be naive. I said that in my post. I also specifically said, twice, that I know just because I haven't seen problems doesn't mean there aren't any. I wrote:

I am NOT saying problems don't exist; my purpose in saying this is to explain why I might be naive:

and

Not saying there are none, [problems] I'm explaining my innocence.

The issue isn't with women who are sounding the alarm, as your patronising post suggests - that if we just focus elsewhere we'll soon forget all about the nasty things some men do.

We don't want to close our eyes, cross our fingers and hope it never happens to us/ anyone we know. We want to protect women - all women- from this vileness, however the perpetrators choose to identify.

That does not equal saying 'all trans people are perverts'.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

Yes, I found that once my eyes were opened I couldn’t look away, and I certainly can’t shut up.

Your innocence is not other people's experience as you point out.

That's part of the problem. We are not allowed to talk about our experiences because no negative experiences are ever allowed to be voiced. We are the real silenced.

For me and people like me who have been asked to erase our entire childhood's or significant part of our own lives to defer to males it's really not cool.

It's the living whilst walking on eggshells... The living with fear.

No you're not, you're all over this thread calling women hateful.

When women here have tried to explain their thinking, you've attempted to shame them as if it's somehow their fault for looking at grubby websites.

At least own it.

(Edit for typos)

Think we might have posted at the same time. Did you see my post that's showing directly above yours?