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Man who transitioned to female sues expert for discrimination after being told breastfeeding was delusional

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IwantToRetire · 11/11/2025 18:58

A transgender mother who underwent medical treatment to breastfeed her newborn son is suing a breastfeeding expert who publicly dismissed her experience as a 'delusional queer theory take'.

Former Australian Breastfeeding Association volunteer counsellor Jasmine Sussex will face a Queensland tribunal next year over claims she discriminated against Brisbane transgender woman Jennifer Adrian Buckley.

The tribunal will decide if Ms Buckley was discriminated against under the Queensland Anti-Discrimination Act over a series of social media posts by Ms Sussex.

Article continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15274697/Jennifer-Buckley-Jasmine-Sussex-transgender-breastfeeding.html

NB Use of propouns at those in the article. So any complaints should go straight to the DM!

Mum in legal battle after expert's online comments about breastfeeding

'Mothers and babies deserve better than this', the breastfeeding expert said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15274697/Jennifer-Buckley-Jasmine-Sussex-transgender-breastfeeding.html

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Helleofabore · 12/11/2025 20:49

SoftBalletShoes · 12/11/2025 20:37

This link womanmeanssomething.com/targetstudy/ is broken and redirects to a weird website. It's one of the first ones on the Resources thread that you linked for me. Worth noting I'm accessing this from the USA. Does it show up as something called foodinloveid for you too?

I was just giving my first impressions of the links having clicked on a few. Yes, I can look up counter-arguments, of course. And I agree that the Beeb and Guardian are not neutral sources. I included Sex Matters as biased when I saw its purpose, but I would need to spend time reading to see if it has any balance, to be fair.

Edited

ahh.. that was posted way back in 2018. You might find that there is a huge amount of links in that thread and they may not all work anymore. However, it is likely that they have been archive on archive.is.

There is a link from that article at the time in any case.

http://archive.today/Y1CvL

I recommend that you take the time to read anything from Sex Matters. It takes a pro-woman stance but they take the time to evidence what they publish and tend to take an unemotional view.

Many on this thread and on this board have accumulated the knowledge over years of reading.

Again, just ask when you see links that you are not sure on.

SoftBalletShoes · 12/11/2025 20:52

@Helleofabore I will read the Sian Berry link. Thank you. I looked at the Brighton Centre story and I think the activists are utterly appalling. I've always thought that about the activists. I don't think they are acting in good faith. I don't think they care about women OR about transpeople. They just want to cause upset. They're anarchists, not activists.

Helleofabore · 12/11/2025 20:56

https://adulthumanfemale.info

You might find this an interesting video to watch when you can. This video was prevented to be shown at Edinburgh University three times by mostly male people who are extreme transgender activists* blocking women's entry and intimidating women.

I recommend that you watch it and see for yourself.

*those who demand that gender identity is prioritised over sex when sex matters, not those people advocating for the needs of transgender people when those needs don't harm women and children.

home

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https://adulthumanfemale.info

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 20:58

SoftBalletShoes · 12/11/2025 20:52

@Helleofabore I will read the Sian Berry link. Thank you. I looked at the Brighton Centre story and I think the activists are utterly appalling. I've always thought that about the activists. I don't think they are acting in good faith. I don't think they care about women OR about transpeople. They just want to cause upset. They're anarchists, not activists.

Except they are taken seriously and have far more influence than they should.

SoftBalletShoes · 12/11/2025 21:02

Helleofabore · 12/11/2025 20:56

https://adulthumanfemale.info

You might find this an interesting video to watch when you can. This video was prevented to be shown at Edinburgh University three times by mostly male people who are extreme transgender activists* blocking women's entry and intimidating women.

I recommend that you watch it and see for yourself.

*those who demand that gender identity is prioritised over sex when sex matters, not those people advocating for the needs of transgender people when those needs don't harm women and children.

Thank you! Also for the rec about Sex Matters being evidence-based and unemotional. It can be very hard these days to know what things are posted in good faith and what just has an agenda, meaning that they might be leaving out important counter-points, and you wouldn't know.

Helleofabore · 12/11/2025 21:06

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 20:58

Except they are taken seriously and have far more influence than they should.

This is very true.

Helleofabore · 12/11/2025 21:12

meaning that they might be leaving out important counter-points, and you wouldn't know.

It is natural to be wary of information sources. As I say, many of us fact check links when we read them. And if there is no evidence, then sometimes you also have to judge if there is a logical base to what you have read, if you know what I mean.

For example, as you say, there is no evidence that the secretions of male people are harmless or harmful - because they have not been adequately tested! So why is this behaviour being encouraged in that case?

good luck

However, I also want to add that perhaps your position is actually not that different from people on this board when you start to robustly interrogate your position and what supports that position

SinnerBoy · 12/11/2025 21:15

Newsenmum · 12/11/2025 20:14

But if she’s producing milk then of course it’s nutritional?

I see your problem; it's HE, not she.

SwirlyGates · 12/11/2025 21:17

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 12/11/2025 15:46

It is always women left trying to slide a piece of paper between different types of men in their spaces and grabbing their lives to skin walk around in them, and exerting enormous amounts of effort and attempts to see inside a man's head which really is a ridiculous waste of everyone's time.

How do we separate in the women's loos for example: (None of these sadly are exaggerated, you can find evidence provided online by these men celebrating and sharing these experiences with other men)

The ones getting off on wanking in a cubicle with the door open
The one with the sword enjoy enacting fantasies of murdering women who defy him and seeing their fear
The ones wanting to raid the sanpro bin and stuff tampons up their anuses for sexual excitement
The ones who get off on hearing women pee and opening sanpro
The ones taking selfies of themselves among women in a women's space, excitedly sharing their hope of see their fantasy of little girls walking around naked with their tampon strings dangling, or being asked by a girl to help them insert a tampon <I'll pause here briefly to take a deep breath and take a bath in bleach>
The ones who claim to be afraid to use men's facilities (but don't care about inflicting men on women)
The ones who are proudly exercising their Right To Be Me and strutting their stuff with no fucks to give about the women they exclude and harm (and readjusting their balls in the queue)

How are you going to work through this lot and figure out the individual psychology, who you're going to sympathise with, who might have a valid reason (although to let them into a women's space you have to throw women out and leave them with no alternative provisions because give them anything at all and another large group of those men and their quite worryingly sexist and batshit women supporters will scream, howl, bang their heads on the floor metaphorically speaking and carry on like a sugarhigh toddler)

Most importantly why the fuck is any woman providing the headspace, labour and time to try and dig through all this shit? It only benefits men, and at the expense of women and of sanity.

And that's only loos. Move it to infants and men who wish to have a helpless child suck their nipple and it's many, many, many times worse. The last elephant in the room here is the frantic desperation to insist its not about sexual excitement or at least not all of the men involved are doing this because of sexual excitement in some way or in some level. It's very naive sadly. The evidence is everywhere.

Sanity come back. We need you. The days of everyone having actual healthy boundaries and a grip.

Edited

I'm going to add the men who piss all over the seat, that I have to clean up before I can sit down. Disgusting. I'm not talking about trans people here, just men that I had the misfortune to follow into the mixed-sex toilets. (Two of these were on trains, which is nothing new, but it illustrates why I don't want yet more men in women's loos.)

And before someone says, Oh well what about the women who hover? I've never been faced with so much piss on the seat from women as I have from men. Is it carelessness? Laziness in not putting the seat up? Or are they marking their territory? (I asked DH and he says it's pretty common in the men's.)

Datun · 12/11/2025 22:01

@SoftBalletShoes

You have wandered onto a train that has almost reached its destination. The halt you have alighted from is a small backwater that gets its news once a month by carrier pigeon.

The women here are on the last leg of the journey, we've been on this train for years. Consuming information daily, often hourly, and sometimes by the minute.

I urge you to listen to them.

These things are real, they are happening. The BBC have a view, the NHS have a view, the courts in Australia are about to get a view.

This is not underground, this is not just happening somewhere else or on the outer corners of the Internet.

Even since your first post, you seem to have gone through several stations, in rapid succession.

Please stay on the train.

Read everything you can, and get on board.

(Helleofabore will provide you with all the links. And if you don't like them, she will have others. Kosher, irrefutable, sound).

RedToothBrush · 13/11/2025 00:11

'i don't notice any issues in Brighton'

Can we just reflect on this.

If all data is recorded for gender not sex, then every bit of research that does this is fundamentally flawed and won't pick up any significant differences between males and females. This is a massive problem if we are talking about healthcare or crime...

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 00:30

Teathecolourofcreosote · 11/11/2025 21:55

I'm assuming that in lesbian partnerships the birthing mother feeds the child because the drugs that would be needed to induce lactation in the other would be unwise?

Just wondering what happened to the non special class of (real) same sex partnerships.

I'll bet no one panders to this class of (ordinary) women with nonsense like this.

I'm bi (only date women though) and I'd like to have kids with another woman. I've been doing a lot of research & yes, I've read of this happening.

There is a whole conversation that needs to happen about poor practices like this. Another one is reciprocal IVF, which I wish were fine, but has been shown this year to be more dangerous to both mother & baby. The IVF clinics present it as very safe, of course.

It's sensitive as lesbians have of course historically faced homophobia about being selfish for raising kids in a lesbian relationship, using IVF/sperm banks (anonymous sperm is bad imo but equally so for straight couples). But a conversation cam be had that isn't homophobic but criticises unethical choices.

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 00:34

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 20:16

It's not milk. That's the point.

Hth.

Maybe they believe it is? I suspect most do not, anyway it's always selfish & deeply wrong.

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 00:36

Helleofabore · 11/11/2025 22:25

Another woman though at least doesn’t have male levels of hormones or suppressants and a range of other drugs that no one knows will cause issues for the infant.

Yes.

It's fair to point out that straight women who've adopted kids or used a surrogate are also recorded to have done this. I feel uneasy (don't agree with surrogacy either).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/expert-answers/induced-lactation/faq-20058403&ved=2ahUKEwj7toPd8O2QAxX4XEEAHdIcLccQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1svTkWXJlS1M8Ll3NFql15

https://www.google.com/url?opi=89978449&rct=j&sa=t&source=web&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mayoclinic.org%2Fhealthy-lifestyle%2Finfant-and-toddler-health%2Fexpert-answers%2Finduced-lactation%2Ffaq-20058403&usg=AOvVaw1svTkWXJlS1M8Ll3NFql15&ved=2ahUKEwj7toPd8O2QAxX4XEEAHdIcLccQFnoECB0QAQ

RedToothBrush · 13/11/2025 00:36

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 00:34

Maybe they believe it is? I suspect most do not, anyway it's always selfish & deeply wrong.

It doesn't matter what they believe.

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 00:37

Dollymylove · 11/11/2025 22:49

Why is this child not being safeguarded against being force fed a cocktail of drugs?
Imagine if a heroine addicted woman was breastfeeding her baby? Social services would be on it like a dog with a bone

Nail on head

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 00:38

RedToothBrush · 13/11/2025 00:36

It doesn't matter what they believe.

Agreed 👍

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/11/2025 08:12

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 00:37

Nail on head

Doesn't it just demonstrate how the moment the word 'trans' gets involved, sense just seems to dribble out of people's head.

It's like the old myth of being able to make Edwardians entirely lose their heads and start flapping by shouting into a crowded room 'women and children first!'

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 13/11/2025 11:33

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 00:36

Yes.

It's fair to point out that straight women who've adopted kids or used a surrogate are also recorded to have done this. I feel uneasy (don't agree with surrogacy either).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/expert-answers/induced-lactation/faq-20058403&ved=2ahUKEwj7toPd8O2QAxX4XEEAHdIcLccQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1svTkWXJlS1M8Ll3NFql15

Im not sure whether you are pointing out that it's not just lesbian non birth mums who need to stimulate lactation, straight women do too, or whether you're saying because women sometimes need assistance to stimulate lactation so what's the problem if men do it?

To clarify, the women in the article (adoptive, non birth mums) are women, not men. Its not really relevant to lactation whether they are lesbians or not, they're women who haven't given birth.

But sometimes birth mums also need drugs to stimulate lactation.

Women don't need to take androgen suppressants like males do.

Women need much lower amounts of drugs to stimulate lactation and are advised to stop several days before starting feeding so that they're not present in the milk. Males trying to 'breastfeed' need to continue to take vast amounts of drugs during the entire process.

GotoAnotherSquare · 13/11/2025 11:36

Man posts on social media something potentially harmful to his baby. Healthcare expert objects. Healthcare expect gets sacked and sued for discrimination. Man carries on.

I wouldn't usually support calling someone trans "delusional" but this case ('mens breast milk is the same as a woman's despite being on different drugs') it basically is by definition.

He's not a woman. He can't be a woman. He is on drugs to specifically suppress testosterone and noone knows the impact of this on the baby - it may well even effect babies brain development from the little I know about sex hormones.

And many actual woman can't or don't breastfeed because they are on certain medication and don't know if it would be safe, much as they would like to. It doesn't somehow make them less woman but the opposite.

Putting your baby's health ahead of your own selfish desires = motherhood.

Carla786 · 13/11/2025 12:01

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 13/11/2025 11:33

Im not sure whether you are pointing out that it's not just lesbian non birth mums who need to stimulate lactation, straight women do too, or whether you're saying because women sometimes need assistance to stimulate lactation so what's the problem if men do it?

To clarify, the women in the article (adoptive, non birth mums) are women, not men. Its not really relevant to lactation whether they are lesbians or not, they're women who haven't given birth.

But sometimes birth mums also need drugs to stimulate lactation.

Women don't need to take androgen suppressants like males do.

Women need much lower amounts of drugs to stimulate lactation and are advised to stop several days before starting feeding so that they're not present in the milk. Males trying to 'breastfeed' need to continue to take vast amounts of drugs during the entire process.

Sorry, to clarify, I meant number 1. Definitely do not believe the second option!

Carla786 · 14/11/2025 01:35

Re. The real mother's role in this case : I definitely suspect abuse from the man, especially as she's got MS which would make her more vulnerable (as would pregnancy & caring for an infant).

Otoh I don't think we should always assume the woman is a victim of abuse in cases like this. In itself, transitioning while demanding relationship continue unchanged is abusive. But otoh I've come across a few cases where the women seemed to collude willingly, though of course that's suspect.

Otoh, I think that when an abused woman begins abetting her fetishistic husband's desire to make their child, and other women, props for his fetish, she crosses a moral line from being a victim of abuse to being an enabler as well

Helleofabore · 02/03/2026 12:48

Adding to this, the latest fall out for anyone in roles vulnerable to complaints being targeted by Buckley.

https://x.com/Jilliantweeting/status/2028421138158932010?s=20

'Overreach': Health regulator silences top psychiatrist for posts on gender medicine Prominent psychiatrist Andrew Amos has been banned from questioning gender-affirming treatment for children on social media after complaints from trans activists.

STEPHEN RICE March 2, 2026 - 7:14PM
in The Australian

"A prominent Australian psychiatrist who has warned of the risks of gender- affirming medical treatment for children and teenagers has been banned from posting his objections on social media and had restrictions put on his practice by the health regulator.

Queensland psychiatrist Andrew Amos has been ordered by the Medical Board of Australia and the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency to stop making online statements about gender issues and is barred from having direct clinical contact with any patients.

Dr Amos's supporters say the move is a warning to medical professionals who might consider speaking out publicly against gender-affirming treatment for minors, and that it represents a gross overreach by regulators in response to complaints by trans activists.

Dr Amos is an academic psychiatrist at James Cook University and chair of the Queensland Section of Rural Psychiatry with the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists but has been at odds with the RANZCP over gender medicine, arguing that the gender-affirming model of care is incompatible with evidence-based practice.

Under the restrictions, Dr Amos must provide AHPRA with details of all his social media profiles to show he has not posted any comments "in relation to gender medicine, gender identity and/or expression and transgender persons". Also, he cannot practise except at an "approved" location and is barred from "any role requiring direct or indirect clinical patient contact". The condition does not affect him while he is working as an academic but would be severely limiting if he returned to clinical practice. It is understood the conditions were imposed in response to four complaints, the first following controversy over the case of transwoman Jennifer Buckley, who had transitioned from male to female and used a combination of hormones and drugs to bring on lactation to breastfeed her son.

In September 2024, Dr Amos said in a post on X that men who induced lactation were the embodiment of narcissism but did not refer directly to Ms Buckley."

And it goes on ...

Jillian Spencer (@Jilliantweeting) on X

An article in the Australian newspaper explaining how gender activists and @Ahpra have worked together to destroy the career of psychiatrist Dr Andrew Amos for media and social media comments about gender. @AlboMP @AngusTaylorMP @PaulineHansonOz @Davi...

https://x.com/Jilliantweeting/status/2028421138158932010?s=20

Chariothorses · 02/03/2026 16:22

I haven't read the full thread and am not going to get into conversations with people who support the sexual abuse of babies as it makes me feel sick. I hope the info below is useful.

Lactophilia (men wanting babies to suck their nipples ) is a male sexual porn fetish. CSA of infants is thankfully illegal in the UK.

The drugs needed for men to do this are harmful to babies. A couple of years ago a UK NHS Dr wrote to the Children of Transitioners group supporting this practice and lying drug induced Galactorrhea from men is the same as mothers' milk. As this is a lie the Dr then faced GMC/ NHS England intervention/ investigation after the Cots group and medical specialists raised safeguarding concerns with the then Health Secretary, and the NHS confirmed their advice on inducing breastfeeding was only ever supposed to apply to (biological) women/mothers, not men. (The BBC never reported this fallout - it does not fit their trans bias!). However in other countries abuse of babies and children by trans activists has been left unchecked.

Various GC groups campaigned for the NHS England website to be amended (eg now all links to La leche League, who support this abuse of babies, have been removed). There are still ongoing issues, eg read Milli Hill or see
https://biologyinmedicine.substack.com/p/chestfeeding-is-harmful-to-babies

It is horrifying to see some countries allowing all abuse of babies, children and women, if extreme trans activists want it, and punishing all adults (including health professionals) trying to safeguard the vulnerable. Eventually I hope those enforcing this abuse face justice, but the situation at present is awful.

‘Chestfeeding’ is harmful to babies

The NHS website has misleading and inaccurate advice for trans and non-binary people

https://biologyinmedicine.substack.com/p/chestfeeding-is-harmful-to-babies

LeeshaPaper · 06/03/2026 10:45

This is a small aside, but for anyone who wonders about the control of women's bodies and medicine during pregnancy and breastfeeding compared to the free rein given to this man: (I may have posted this already , it sticks in my mind)

I had hay fever while pregnant (not bf to be fair) and was told I shouldn't use eye drops with a 2% active ingredient in case it would be detrimental to the baby as it hadn't been tested on pregnant women. EYE DROPS.

This man is given a cocktail of hormones and chemicals that will deliberately create this secretion and that's ok? He's encouraged to and lauded for forcing the new born to suckle. That's one of the worst things I've ever heard on many levels

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