Anyone wanting to support greens but really stuck on their trans beliefs and policies?

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I haven’t heard anything else that I disagree with, but I’m so disappointed by the outright ‘trans women are women statement’ and consequent policies. In my view this attitude doesn’t fit with the other green policies. Here we are saying that women are an unimportant subspecies, and that the wants of a very small number of trans identifying males trump the rights and needs of all the actual females.

How is anyone squaring this in their minds? Can you bring yourself to vote Green?

Bizarre that they’re trying to get everyone to believe a) in the science of climate change while also insisting that b) men can magically become women by saying so. Not only is b) complete bollocks but it undermines their core objective - to marshal support for the supposedly scientifically proven climate change. If the science of b) is called into question (which it is because it’s a lie) then it also calls into question the Greens’ belief in a). I think it’s a fatal flaw and pathetic and I can’t vote for them because of that. It’s embarrassing and shameful.

Staniland Question.

He says it's people who want to make a fuss, because HE DOESN'T THINK ITS IMPORTANT and he wants you to shut up. If you don't, and say it's important to you, he might have to notice and he doesn't want to notice.

He says this because it's not his priority. It's all about him. It's not because he thinks other people are making a fuss.

I have come across males wanting access to women on several occasions now. When it happens it's eye opening and jaw dropping. Fortunately DH is very aware of it and saw it happen - he was, once upon a time 'its made up / it's exaggerated / you are reading dodgy sources'.

Then he started to see it 'in the wild' and the unreasonable demands and he went 'hang on a second, you weren't making it up were you? You were spot on, this is really not ok'.

The fact that he thinks it's about trans ppl rather than women is the problem

how does he plan to ensure statistical data on eg the number of mammograms a health system might need to commission per year is accurate if men are included in the category women?

also how many men in women's spaces does he think is ok?

Now that the law has changed

It hasn't changed. Groups lobbying for the erosion of women's legal right to single sex services as detailed in the EQA2010 can no longer claim that males should be able to access such spaces and services because of legal fictions or because they really, really want to.

And institutionally captured organisations are still refusing to follow the law, meaning that women are having to yet again bring legal challenges.

And so men are still being placed in the women's prison estate in Scotland, males are still cheating by competing in female sporting categories and rape crisis services are still refusing to provide single sex rape crisis services.

But this, somehow, all handwaved away with claims that opposition to these harms to women is 'hysterical' and 'right wing'.

I, again, am.thankful that my husband, when I started mentioning these issues and he started to read up about it, said 'but that's completely unfair to women!' and has been unwavering in his support for women in this fight since then.

Well you have that wrong. The law will change. You lot behave as though nothing has, and often the posts on that board are personal and nasty.

What will the law change to?

What law exactly will change?

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I recently re-joined the Green Party after leaving and years later joining Labour, then leaving Labour because I didn't like Keir Starmer (my formerly Labour MP has since quit the party)... A member of my family has a Green councillor and says that they seem to do a good job, and isn't aware of any gender-related Green Party campaigns or policies in their council area.
I suspect that any elected Greens would have a tough time enacting any gender inclusive policies because I think they're very, very unlikely to have a majority government. Their aim seems to be too have a Green candidate stand in every constituency (but not really to win every seat). I'm sad because they're the only party that really seems to care about the planet.

This. Exactly this. This is a great example of a dismissive, rude, childish response to a perfectly normal question asking for clarification of a vaguely made claim. This is how the Greens act and why grown-ups think it's not good enough.

Have some standards ffs.

I just watched a short interview with Hypnoboobs where he was challenged on women's rights. I'm not quoting verbatim here and can't find it now, but Hypno went on for a bit about JKR being a billionaire (interviewer said, "You hate rich people don't you?" - obviously he does, as it her financial status was completely irrelevant to the question), then waffled about the poor trans people. He doesn't give a flying fuck about women.

No. Nor Labour, nor Your Party. Am politically homeless because of this issue

Ah, the Greens might not get a majority Government but take as a unedifying example what we saw here in Scotland where the Scottish Greens propped up a minority SNP Government through the Bute agreement. The Scottish Greens gained positions of power though only getting a tiny share of the vote and were able to rabidly push anti women policies to the point that they eventually withdrew from the agreement because the SNP refused to embarrass themselves further by challenging the enacting of Section 35. which was raised as a result of the passing of the GRR bill.

All this and they're shite at all things environmental!

(Honestly, I feel like I should be walking the streets of the rest of the UK, ringing a bell, shrieking 'look at these fuckers! They'll do the same here! Beware! BEWARE!')

How are they "shite at all things environmental" (I mean this as a genuine question)? No other party (in England, at least) seems to even think about the environment, or they pay lip service and send out some flyers with the colour green on xD
I lived in an impoverished area of Brighton a long time ago and felt like there were far too many cars in a city with a Green MP...

The question still is not what will the law change to, but who will change the law - to deliberately erase sex and replace with gender?

Which political party is willing to kill itself off?!

I used to be a member and significant donor to the Green Party until they started to expel people who won’t sign up to the science-denying madness. And funnily enough pretty much all those people being kicked out of the Green Party seem to be either women and/or non-white people…. I’m actually trying to get them to refund to me all the money I have given them over the years, I don’t actually expect to get any of it back though! Lol! I don’t want to be associated with an organisation that silences women. No thank you!

Apart from the debacle of Circularity Scotland, presided over by the astonishingly inept Lorna Slater (made a Junior Minister through the Bute Agreement though having not even won the seat in her own constituency) -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c709wvn70vwo.amp

The ridiculously ill thought out heat pumps scheme, championed by Patrick Harvie (also a Junior Minister as per the Bute Agreement, despite being a List MSP) which would have increased fuel poverty while installing pumps which, according to heat pump manufacturers, 'are unsuitable for the Scottish climate' and are unsuitable for both tenement living and rural living -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg43639zdg7o.amp

The fact that actual environmentalists such as Robin Harper and Andy Wightman left the Scottish Greens because of the party's obsession about independence and the GRR bill, the crushing of any dissent on such issues and the party's seeming lack of interest in environmental issues. Leaving the party with the two mentioned above, Maggie Chapman who presided over the ERCC while it 'harmed rape survivors', and the ridiculous student politics of Ross Greer.

These are just examples off the top of my head. There are broader issues in terms of their policies detrimentally affecting those living outwith big cities with good public transport links.

The current co-leaders of the Scottish Greens have openly said that 'anyone who does not accept that trans women are women has no place in their party'. So anyone who cares about the environment and climate change but won't bleat the required mantras is not welcome.

The Scottish Greens have fucked over their chance to make a real difference for environmental issues in deference to their adulation to a woman hating ideology.

Used to vote Green occasionally- wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole now.

You are correct - I have seen it first hand, and have tried to support people I know through their secret kangaroo courts that they use to kick people out (usually women). People who have been committed to the Party for their whole lives, and given everything to the cause, have had their lives ruined just because they won’t trot out TWAW like a robot. It’s a bit like when Henry V111 chopped off peoples heads for refusing to say that he was never really married to Katherine of Aragon.

Yes, me too. I will actively work against them in my constituency and vote whichever way seems most likely to keep them out. I don't want them getting into a position of influence if we get a hung parliament next time.

Completely agree with you. The Green Party used to be a cause for good, and had amazing people in it. Now the amazing people have either left or live in fear of being cancelled and so the tyranny is allowed to continue.

Indeed. As baseline load it is an invaluable resource.
Sellafield has enough depleted uranium to supply the UK's electricity for the next 500 years if used in fast reactors.

When it comes to discussing anything to do with politics..he's a bully ..it's his way or no way .
He called me a fashished because I'd been reading about reform
He's lached on to green and decided they are the party to right all wrongs and won't hear a word against them.
He thinks the grooming scandal of British girls ,is no worse than Jimmy savil or prince Andrew and it's racist to keep racking it up
.to be honest I sometimes wonder who the hell I married.. because if he's had these opinions 30 years ,he's kept them well hid from me .
His view on trans rights are in line with green and his view on boarders are they should be open to anyone who wants to live here because we are all immigrants in one way or another depending how far you go back
He thinks empty houses should be taken off landlords and given to councils to distribute
and the royal family should have their wealth removed and given to new arrivals .
Considering he went to private school and enjoyed a childhood of immense privilege..I find it bizarre
But I stopped discussing anything with him after he said anyone who supported reform are racist and I was fachised for looking at their policies..
I'm not currently aligned to any political party..but I think I should be free to look at any political party in my own home without name calling

Does he have any redeeming features because he certainly doesn't respect you or think of you as an equal in any way.

I don't mind people having different views on this but this goes beyond that.