Anyone wanting to support greens but really stuck on their trans beliefs and policies?

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I haven’t heard anything else that I disagree with, but I’m so disappointed by the outright ‘trans women are women statement’ and consequent policies. In my view this attitude doesn’t fit with the other green policies. Here we are saying that women are an unimportant subspecies, and that the wants of a very small number of trans identifying males trump the rights and needs of all the actual females.

How is anyone squaring this in their minds? Can you bring yourself to vote Green?

Totally agree

The Greens were not like this up until relatively recently. They were a serious party with sensible policies, centering environmental concerns. They did some great work.

Plus I can’t respect a man (Zack Polanski) who used to work as a hypnotherapist and apparently told women he could increase their breast size by hypnotherapy. I really don’t understand how any self-respecting woman can vote for him.

If I geninuely thought they were going to get meaningful action on the environment quickly, I'd support them despite disagreeing with no debate strongly. But even if ZP is merely parroting TWAW for votes, he'll soon find the TRAs demand their policies take priority over everything else. They don't care if they damage the bigger cause and will happily hold it to hostage.

It's not merely screwed up priorities though. It's that the mindset goes along with it - it's all very black and white. The real world being complicated and full of nuance, making decent policy will be difficult as a result. But simple answers to who the good guys are tend to attract in more troubled people who will then use it a license to behave as badly as they like because they are ticking the right boxes so must be good people. It's not a party full of well adjusted pragmatists. The number of bullying accusations flying is astonishing.

And it repels people. There are some decent people in the greens, but they are hamstrung by the zealots. Many give in and leave. So you're left with the equivalent of Maggie Chapman - very militant but pretty useless for actual governing.

There's also a lot of loons demanding time for their hobbyhorses (eg polyamory or whatever).

Talking of Chapman, the person who she's second to - Guy Ingerson - is now suspended as well. Unclear if Chapman is cleared or what.

The interesting thing is the 40 or whatever constituencies (not mine unfortunately) where they apparently came second. Good on them if they can target them and claim away from reform or
conservative, very unfortunate if it dilutes the labour vote and allows reform into number 10

...voted against victims of rape being able to chose the sex of their medical examiner,

Why? Surely you have to be incredibly psychotic and cold hearted not to understand that it is decent and humane to support people who have been raped with as much dignity and compassion that we can provide?

I've voted for them in the past but they don't seem to care about the environment very much anymore. Not will I vote for any party which intends to destroy women's rights.

I'm also sceptical about Zack Polanski's plan to persuade (presumably through hypnosis?) Putin into getting rid of his nukes.

The Green party are coming second in a lot of constituencies because they are deliberately targeting the Islamic vote, they are positioning themselves as the Gaza Party and taking a lot of votes off of Labour.

Add me to the list. Back in the day I was frustrated with their anti-science woo promotion (homeopathy etc) but that was nothing compared to this, and I get the impression they're slightly walking back on the woo now.

But I can't get over the sheer vitriol they have allowed towards women and gay people.

Prioritise the climate crisis and stop lying about women.

@ArabellaSaurus what did they do please?

They don’t want my vote anyway because I don’t believe humans can change sex.
Won’t vote for them unless they return to being a party that focus on environmental issues

Is this true now?

It used to be that being a little granola/suspicious of Big Pharma was coded left, but it now since covid seems to be right coded, and that is the kind of sentiment that I've seen from Green Party people in recent years.

And very much the "consent is all" approach, including in medicine, which is one of the underpinning attitudes that leads to support of gender ideology. (Barring vaccinations, of course, cause that's logical...)

I am GC and I vote green because in my book climate change is a bigger threat to.women globally than trans issues. Yes I wish they would focus less on identity politics but I hope the more mainstream voters choose them the less influence that fringe has. Plus the Green MPs currently in the House of Commons don't seem too bonkers.

Used to be a member but their women hating is unacceptable. The current leader epitomises their creepy attitude to women. They have been spending less and less time on green issues. I can’t see me ever voting for them again.

They've been like that here in Scotland for years- it was only a matter of time before it spread to other parts of the party. The greens haven't been about the environment for a while now sadly.

I couldn't/wouldn't vote for them if ypu paid me - they're a party with extremist views and would bring the country to its knees if they got in whilst stamping on the rights of women (the real kind, not the XY ones).

I can tell you that here in Canada they used to be rather good. Quite an interesting mix of policies that didn't seem to fit into left or right clearly but were very much focused on grass roots. Pretty strong on government policy and procedure, good sensible approaches to environmental issues but not dogmatic, practical. Very focused on MPs responsibility to their own constituency and their MPs were always free to vote as they saw fit. They also had very strong critiques of things like NAFTA and other similar international free trade agreements from an environmental and social, and also sovereignty, POV.

However, that is when they were quite small and dominated by people who had long involvement in environmental issues.

Since then there was a huge entry of people who were defectors, largely, from other left parties, and wanted a whole slate of typical policies that you expect from middle class, left, urban voters. They still officially allow free votes but have made it clear that those who vote wrong wouldn't be in the party, they are wedded to ID politics and have been wracked with leadership issues as a result, and they have gone very, very quiet on the free trade stuff.

And they have a adopted a lot of dodgy science on the environment and health issues, and no longer seem open to discussions on how to best manage environmental issues (for example is it a good idea to pursue electric vehicles.).

I can’t vote green again until they regain some sense and that doesn’t just apply to gender nonsense. The Green Party in Scotland are utter fruitloops and should be nowhere near influencing laws.

This for me is the worst part of it. They’re not focused primarily on the environment whilst having a TWAW viewpoint as a side issue. They have made gender ideology absolutely central. They talk about it constantly and passionately. So not only are they no longer a “green” party, they are zealots, and I believe that even when genderwoo has generally died down in society, they will still be at it.

What Green policies are the Greens, under Polanski, actively pursuing?

Zack Polanski is very firmly part of that 'fringe'.

On the question of Green Parties elsewhere - Australia is having an interesting moment.

'Greens co-founder Drew Hutton could have his life membership of the party’s Queensland branch reinstated in what he says is a “hollow” victory, following debate over his comments on “transgender ideology”.

The Queensland Greens have flagged that a vote on his possible return would be held next week, after they received advice from lawyers that the party had denied him natural justice when revoking his membership.

Hutton co-founded the state party and the national Australian Greens in the early 1990s. He was expelled from the party in June, with the Greens considering his pursuit of debate harmful to trans people, citing comments made by others which appeared under some of his social media posts.

Arguing the matter was an issue of free speech, Hutton challenged the decision in court in September.
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He said he had won a “hollow” victory, and would continue to pursue the court case even as a member if his demands weren’t met.

“It’s taken me three years to get the Greens to see sense on this,” he said.

But he said it wasn’t certain that he would be reappointed.

“There’s a lot of this transgender ideology which permeates the Queensland Greens, and it all depends how ideologically fixated they are on their determination to get rid of anybody who says otherwise,” he said.'

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/nov/11/drew-hutton-greens-party-expulsion-could-be-overturned

This made me laugh but I am in agreement.

I might vote Green if in three years their views on women are not their main policy and if laws around this generally protect women from these ideas. I think the tide is turning.
As someone said above, I'd like to be able to vote for an ethical party that cared about climate change and the environment, what a shame that party doesn't exist.

Sian Berry scolded us for going to Brighton and said that attending Filia provoked the men into smashing the windows.

Polanski did not call her out.

I will NEVER vote Green in their current incarnation

Yup, I’d vote for a more scientifically accurate green party

And I thought supporting the Challenors and bullying out all GC voices was bad enough.

For anyone not aware, ‘Aimee’ Challenor was an up and coming Green ‘star’, much feted a and employed as an ‘advisor’ even though he employed his dad as a campaign manager while he was facing a charge of kidnapping an 11 yr old girl, holding her hostage in his disgusting loft and raping her repeatedly. ‘Aimee’ has a partner who writes paedophile fiction.

We need a Green Party, this group of unhinged activists is not it.

Don’t you think the Green Party should prioritise green issues though?

Their obsession with identity politics which is putting off everyone in this thread (except you). It’s cost them vast amounts of money so far, they have booted out good people and prioritise the unhinged zealots and countless people will no longer vote for them. They are damaging their own cause.

It’s the Green Party that is causing the problem with their unhinged anti women policies and bullying, not the voters they have lost.