Anyone wanting to support greens but really stuck on their trans beliefs and policies?

[ForCraftyWriter]

I haven’t heard anything else that I disagree with, but I’m so disappointed by the outright ‘trans women are women statement’ and consequent policies. In my view this attitude doesn’t fit with the other green policies. Here we are saying that women are an unimportant subspecies, and that the wants of a very small number of trans identifying males trump the rights and needs of all the actual females.

How is anyone squaring this in their minds? Can you bring yourself to vote Green?

I was going to vote Greens but I simply cannot on the basis of their trans stance! It absolutely does not put women first whatsoever and we are seen as a subspecies. It really makes me very angry how our rights have been quashed

Bizarrely they don’t realise that they are exactly the type of lefties that helped the Islamists take over Iran for example and were executed in their tens of thousands when the Islamists took power. Their politics and practices are antithetical to Islam and they are just useful idiots.

Not a chance. I have voted Green in local elections but wasn't impressed by the two canvassers who were unable to respond to my disquiet that the local party suspended an excellent parliamentary candidate for months because she dared to say sex was biological. Zac Polansky is a fantastic communicator, though.

When asked why they don’t talk about or campaign on green issues they say they don’t need to as they’re the most trusted on that issue.

I used to be a member in my 20s, even went to a conference in Edinburgh. It’s not just the gender woo that puts me off them. Since they don’t expect to get into power they can have all kinds of zany policies.
I think I’ve moved more to the centre so I don’t like the policies on basically open borders and not caring about economic growth.

Zac Polanski is fucking awful. How can you even be contemplating it?

@ForCraftyWriter that is because the Greens used to be a home for left wing idealists. With a manifesto of well intentioned environmental based policies. Now they have been colonised by the modern left wing ideologues. With their usual mindless idealogy- TWAW, legalise all drugs, open borders, ban landlords, etc etc. But Zak the grafter knows these policies resonate with a large portion (40 constituencies you say) of millennials, Gen Z people and the alphabet people.

Nope: I don’t feel safe with a government that prioritises gender feelings over science.

And I won’t vote for a man who thinks I am a bigot for wanting sex definition to prevail in any context where women are disadvantaged (sport) or put at risk (prisons, intimate situations etc)

And I do not agree with their turnaround on nuclear power. They supported it for years. Their MPs voted for it.

They just don’t act like grown ups

The greens are lovely, ideologically, but have some deeply impractical policies the worst of which is their TWAW bollocks. That said, it’s impossible to find any party (other than Reform) that is GC. I wish the greens were a viable option but they just aren’t.

Was a member for a while, I ended up leaving and telling them why.

Maybe the thing to do is actually join the party, get involved, and be vocal about TWANW. Then let the book you out if they really want to.

No. I'd sooner vote for a cuckoo clock.

They expel women who do not kowtow

They've been very clear they don't want GC votes so I shall grant them their wish

in all seriousness the moment any one tries to venture GC opinions within the Green Party, they're suspended and subject to their Byzantine internal investigative process which seems designed to keep people in limbo fir as long as possible

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-greens-expel-gender-rebels-deemed-threat-to-trans-members

The worst part of all of this is them refusing to even listen to GC views (see Bristol council recently - walking out if some asked a question that related to a GC view). As politicians it's literally their job to debate issues and put forward their own views in a respectful manner. If they can't do that they need to stand down.

Me too.

Focusing on trans people, a vulnerable minority, and using that as a reason to ignore every other socially aware and actively positive policy the greens have is shameful. They are constantly attacked, online and in real life. You should be ashamed. The greens are much more than trans rights, but trans people shouldn’t be anyone’s punching bag.

The greens are much more than trans rights

Do they accept people in their party who want trans people to have the same rights as everyone else yet don't pretend that people can change sex?

I thought they actively tried to get rid of them - is that not correct?

Interesting as what prompted my post was his social media clip saying, ‘Don’t agree with one of our policies? Join us anyway as we value all views and everyone has an equal vote so join us and let’s discuss it’

yes that's right women are constantly masking up, screaming in ppls faces, banging on the windows when they meet, chalking offensive slogans on pavements where trans ppl meet, threatening rape, pissing in the street as a 'protest',

oh no wait! That's not women is it, that's TRA

and as the greens think all of that behaviour by TRA is just fine, I wouldn't trust them to run a bath let alone a country.

Bwahahahaha they've got a nerve!

this from the party that banned Green women's declaration from the Green Party conference

at best they just want to tell women that they're wrong, TWAW and the most vulnerable ever

ZP doesn't strike me as the sort of leader who is keen on members dissenting from what he thinks. Very much a messianic type of leader

edited to say - check out what happened in Bristol when women attempted to ask questions the green run council didn't want them to ask. All the green cllrs walked out....so yes I've no faith Zak is interested in listening to everyone's views

Same in previously voting for them when they were about the environment but never in a million years. Their policies are crazy as is their leadership (hypnosis for larger breasts just wtaf). So disappointed how the left seems to have all gone batshit.

The greens are much more than trans rights and how on earth can you explain or defend the newly appointed leader of the party who knows nothing about environmental issues? It should not be called the Green Party anymore.

If you wanted a manifesto that puts you back in the box this is it. They won’t survive contact with publicity

The Brighton MP celebrated us having to walk across broken glass to get to the Filia conference.

Greens can do one

Many of us used to be in these groups and political parties and saw the mission creep. It was like a juggernaut. Anyone contemplating this should be aware of how stressful it is to be in an organisation and challenge a hard core group with an agenda. The amount of bad feeling it generates, the way you are monstered and turned into a Bad Person. Its not just a case of getting kicked out of a party, its all of your peers and local groups.
You've seen the thread on how Susan Smith is being accused of breaking an umbrella? It might sound amusing sat in your home behind your keyboard but you should think about how isolating it is when its your neighbours and its every day.
Think about if you could cope with being on the receiving end of an intervention or a kangaroo court, because that's where we are.