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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 21:12

New survey

19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

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ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 06:51

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 14:07

I disagree, accepting trans peoples rights in no way affects your rights.

There are many cis woman who don't have periods or can't get pregnant, etc, and they don't affect you either. We are all individual.

'trans' people have rights as the sex they are.

Having males in female spaces designed to exclude ALL males, affects RAPE SURVIVORS LIKE ME.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 06:52

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 14:09

I agree, I also debate with pro trans groups as i feel there needs to be a middle ground which reflects all victims of abuse.

If you are saying fully intact males should be in female spaces, that is not a middle ground. You are taking away the sex-based right and protections of the female sex.

Petitchat · 10/11/2025 06:52

Bluemin · 09/11/2025 22:08

It was great. Pork fillet, flash fried, with onions, mushrooms, lots of garlic, smoked paprika and sour cream. Served with black rice.

Sounds yum! 👍

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 06:57

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 14:59

Interestingly, I've had many of these tlast. I have been called transphobic a few times because I don't always agre, and it's always by cis women. Trans men don't talk to me about these issues.
I don't think this is a misogyny issue, this is a trans issue.

It's not a 'trans' issue. It's a male vs female issue. It's a misogyny issue. Trans is simply the patriarchy rebranded. It seeks to strip every sex-based right and sex-based protection our foremother feminists fought for, all because you've been brainwashed by the patriarchy to put male 'feelz' above female needs and rights, because you have been brainwashed to 'BeKind' to male folk. And throw women and girls under the bus, while you are on your knees for crumbs from the male sex for doing their bidding. Meanwhile the men are laughing at you.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:03

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 16:43

Then that person will find a way no matter what and should be castrated and locked up.
Don't assume all trans people are SAs. Should all cis men be kept away from children due to how many abuse them?

So not only are you saying 'well it happens anyway, so lets throw our hands up and give up and tear down all safeguards', you are saying that it has to happen first, and a woman or girl abused first. Instead of just providing a private space for women and girls to get changed and not see males getting their knobs out in front of them.

Determined burglars will break into your house, it doesn't mean we give up and don't lock our doors because why bother?

People will break the speed limit or take drugs, hey, I know, lets remove all laws because enforcing it is 'all just too hard'..

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:08

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:24

We do not agree this. There needs be nuance and understanding and i believe you are not very understanding.

Women don't need to be 'understanding' of males. They are the oppressor and predator class. You are way behind on this, poll after poll after poll shows we are in the overwhelming majority. We are winning the war. Each year, support for 'trans' decreases. You are way behind.

Maybe you and males could try and be 'understanding' of the needs of the female sex. Instead of demanding it only one way.

oldtiredcyclist · 10/11/2025 07:11

Keeptoiletssafe · 09/11/2025 15:22

Thank you for mentioning toilet door gaps. I bet your incident was never recorded. Neither was mine (who was a young woman who had choked on her own vomit). She’s probably in her 40s or 50s now.

Collapsing in the toilet happens more than people realise. It happened to the actress Emilia Clarke who was rescued. I know of deaths in offices, doctors surgeries, hospitals, schools, supermarkets…I could probably find examples from most venue types tbh from a quick google. Frustratingly many of these places have defibrillators too.

Changing all the single sex designs to private, sound resistant unisex designs would be hugely costly in monetary terms but the ultimate cost would be vulnerable lives.

A couple of months ago, I went to London with my wife, to have some tests done at a London hospital. On the way back home, I collapsed in the entrance doorway to the men's loos, my wife witnessed it, paramedics were called and I was taken to A&E. It transpired that my heart had stopped for 25 seconds (I had a loop recorder at that time which recorded my heart anomalies). Had I actually been in a cubicle, I really don't know what would have happened. Following that, I have had a pacemaker fitted.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:11

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:29

I'm a cis male who identifies as a male.
Women also have testosterone naturally accuring, some a lot more than others. It is not only harmless it also increases a woman's libido, and is recommended for those going through menopause (sorry if that feels like mansplaining, it just goes with this particular conversation).

I'm a cis male who identifies as a male.

And this explains how you can't understand how the female sex are vulnerable and need our single sex spaces. Your smug and heartless Male Privilege and Male Entitlement reeks through your posts. You, the oppressor class, are asking the oppressed sex to prioritise the oppressor. You have no understanding of how sacred our safe spaces are to us.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:13

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:31

Why not? The trans person will be harmless, and there are also cis male gynecologists so why not a trans one?

Why do you think a 'trans person' is automatically harmless and infallible? You're making a Sacred Caste out of the male sex.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:14

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:33

Considering the number of priests who have abused children, have you tried banning preists from public toilets to stop them abusing children?

Priests are male. So they are automatically banned from FEMALE spaces. You are being disingenuous.

Might I remind you that people once had priests as an infallible Sacred Caste. You are making the same mistake with 'trans' people.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:18

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:45

All young children are usually accompanied by an adult in a public toilets.
Your arguments are not about protecting children but about attacking trans people.

Our arguments are about MALES in female spaces, not 'trans' people. We have no problem with trans men (aka females).

It's about MALES. Not 'trans'.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:20

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:46

How do you know the cis womanis harmless, you have no idea who they are.

Female on female is not the same level of harm as male on female.

Are you men really this dense you don't understand how dangerous your sex is?

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:21

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 17:49

I thought this was a discusion about trans rights.
I wanted to get women's views on it.
The testostrone bit was in response to someone saying it harms women.
I apologise if I have caused offense.

No, YOU wanted to make it a discussion on trans rights.

This, is a discussion about WOMENS RIGHTS.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:23

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 18:02

I have read up on this a lot and debated it with many people. I'm always willing to learn more.
I've been accused of being anti trans, misogynistic and even misandristic because I don't entirely agree with those I'm talking to.
With the anger on this forum about this subject i do wonder where those who support the trans community are. It has been intimated they have been scared off.
I can see why the is so much effort to have the trans community accepted, I don't think I could it up with the hate coming from the anti trans community.

Edited

Yeah, how dare us uppity wimmin be "angry" about the loss of our rights...

Again, it has nothing at all to do with the rebadge of males that is 'trans'.

It' more anti-male. Not anti 'trans'.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:24

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 18:07

Yeah, that's the same thing in this case.

No it really is not. Unless you think you can get away with rebadging fully intact males in order to allow them the loophole to predate on women.

oldtiredcyclist · 10/11/2025 07:27

As far as I can see Gnasher (named after Dennis the Menace's dog?) has departed the building. I can't decide if he is a total fantasist, or just someone who came on here to wind you all up. I have to admit that the story about his sister and the TW with the tampons, was right out of the Jessica (Jonathan) Yaniv's storybook.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:28

Gnasher1981 · 09/11/2025 18:31

I feel a trans woman is a woman and there needs to be discussion about this subject so that your daughter can understand she will not be in peril.
The trans person just wants to exercise and get changed without being thought of as dangerous.
At my work we all get changed in front of each other without any issues and the one person who doesn't want to go into a cubicle.

A male with penis and testicles is not a woman.

A girl does not need to be 're-educated' to be groomed to accept a male getting his cock out in front of her. Any male that advances this viewpoint, is a sexual predator.

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:36

Petitchat · 09/11/2025 19:20

I don't believe this because we REAL women don't go about telling other women that we have run out of tampons. We just don't. Unless we are with the woman and actually know them.

In all my years I have never had a stranger come up to me in the toilets and say she has ran out of tampons!

So, first we have the unlikely scenario where your sister told a stranger that she was out of tampons.
Second unlikely scenario that it just so happened to be a transwoman.
Third, the transwoman happened to have a tampon.

Yeah right.......

Yep, it's a sexual fetish by that poster that shows he has absolutely no idea whatsoever how women operate. Women roll up toilet paper until we can buy some stuff, we NEVER accept tampons off any other woman. That man is typing with one hand.

Helleofabore · 10/11/2025 09:19

One for @Gnasher1981 but good for us all to hear.

https://x.com/knownheretic/status/1987597227842490407?s=46

Women do not consent to any men in our private spaces.

The more trans identified men try to bypass our consent using intimidation, manipulation, and force, the more they expose that this is about abuse not agreement.

Amy Sousa 9/11/2025

In this case, apparently it is not just ‘trans identified men’ it is normal men trying to convince us to let us ‘trans identified men’.

Still an act of abuse though when you consider just how consent is being over ridden. And how it is ignored that consent cannot be transferred, so if one woman or girl doesn’t consent, that is the minimum standard met.

Amy E. Sousa, MA Depth Psychology (@KnownHeretic) on X

Women do not consent to any men in our private spaces. The more trans identified men try to bypass our consent using intimidation, manipulation, and force, the more they expose that this is about abuse not agreement.

https://x.com/knownheretic/status/1987597227842490407?s=46

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2025 09:33

nicepotoftea · 10/11/2025 06:35

Weirdly always tampons…

Never pads.

At least it's not moon cups at least.

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2025 09:34

oldtiredcyclist · 10/11/2025 07:27

As far as I can see Gnasher (named after Dennis the Menace's dog?) has departed the building. I can't decide if he is a total fantasist, or just someone who came on here to wind you all up. I have to admit that the story about his sister and the TW with the tampons, was right out of the Jessica (Jonathan) Yaniv's storybook.

It's not real.

Petitchat · 10/11/2025 10:33

DH just came up with a theory.
When he was a young 'un he entered the ladies in a night club by mistake. Drinking? Ahem.....

Anyway, he remembers it was full of giggly chatting young ladies, doing hair and make up on each other, all very excitable (as many of us are when young)
HE was very embarrassed, mumbled an apology and shot out.

Now we're thinking, is this where the men (trans) have their ideas from, of how WE are in the ladies?
Do they think all women never mature, that we just stay like that? Giggly, excitable, hairstyling, make up, chatting in groups in the toilets.
Then add a few more fantasies such as giving tampons to each other.

"Women helping women"

This does ring true because people like Dylan Mulvaney do act in that way.

WarrenTofficier · 10/11/2025 10:42

ThatBlackCat · 10/11/2025 07:28

A male with penis and testicles is not a woman.

A girl does not need to be 're-educated' to be groomed to accept a male getting his cock out in front of her. Any male that advances this viewpoint, is a sexual predator.

A male without a penis and/or testicles is not a woman either.

Just like a woman who has had a hysterectomy or a mastectomy or both is still a woman.

Just like an amputee is still whatever sex they were born.

There isn't a point at which removing body parts magically transforms you into something else. Sex is coded into every cell in the human body. Even the 'they change hormonal sex' is a lie, a male doesn't start to produce female sex hormones.

Boiledbeetle · 10/11/2025 10:50

CohensDiamondTeeth · 09/11/2025 23:54

And @Hedgehogsrightsarehumanrights another thing that's just occurred to me to say "out loud" is that I could say I'm a purple 7ft armadillo online, but that doesn't make it true obviously 😂

So if you ask a suspect poster to tell you who they are, in terms of biological sex, reason for visit to the thread, personal awareness etc, we can't be sure that any answer they give is going to be the actual truth.

We've had that a number of times before, the self proclaimed "woman" poster turns out to have been a man with a sparkly feeling in his head all along, one that is appropriating and contorting language as and when it suits him 🙄

I know it sounds obvious to remind people that anyone can say they are anyone online, but I think it can be easy for people to forget. Especially I think with the longer term TRA posters who have a more filled out "backstory".

But you do accept I really am a beetle don't you!

A female one though. I'd never claim to be a male beetle as that would just be ridiculous.

WarrenTofficier · 10/11/2025 10:56

Boiledbeetle · 10/11/2025 10:50

But you do accept I really am a beetle don't you!

A female one though. I'd never claim to be a male beetle as that would just be ridiculous.

Of course you are a beautiful dancing beetle Boiled 🪲💃