Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

I don't really mind debating someone who turns out to be a fake lier or whatever as they just help to show up the logical fallacies of the TWAW faction. It takes some patience and I need to be in the right frame of mind but I genuinely believe that we show our true colours by engaging with integrity and they show their true colours by being themselves....

I've explained that badly but I'm full of pork stroganoff and red wine so content to leave it there 😁

I went away and had a wee think and had just come back to say something like this.

I think yes, inconsistencies in personal details given can sometimes be indicative of a TRA, but on reflection, I'm mostly paying attention to the quality of the argument than who is making the argument.

Although I do give less weight immediately to posters like Gnasher who are male and talking out of their bum, and frankly I skim past most of Hows posts these days because I can't be arsed with any of his particular flavour of stupid games right now 😂

I was thinking as well about how it's always good online safety practice to change small details when talking about yourself. I've done this with inconsequential details before, and I know it's fairly common practice here on MN in general. I appreciate that's more from the perspective of personal and children's online safety, rather than being anything to do with spotting a TRA because they can't keep their story, argument or logic straight 😂

Yes I agree with this too!

I hope peeps dont think i am being critical of the valiant efforts to give nitwits a good mauling.

i just want to contribute but end up on the norty step when i engage cos i get very cross.

I haven't taken it that way, discussion about how to deal with these bad faith posters is something that comes up quite a lot and I think it's always a worthwhile discussion to have

Needing the laws to change so a trans person has a legal right to defend themselves when attacked is what this is about.

Eh what?? This is a stunning act of DARVO. It is females that are attacked. Not trans. Trans are the most celebrated, powerful, privileged and most protected group out. It's a fact that trans are the ones doing the attacking, not being attacked. And women have lost our legal right to defend ourselves. Because of trans. Your post is a stunning example of gaslighting and completely reversing victim/offender, DARVO.

Wow. You've really been brainwashed and desensitised so much that you genuinely don't see how sick and predatory it is for males to hang around in female toilets offering women and girls tampons? Truly your post is deeply disturbing. This is grooming writ large.
If a male dressed like a male and identifying a male did that, I'm sure you're attitude would be different. But, because this male wears a dress, you've been desensitised to think it's ok?

That male that did that is filthy predator and the police should have been called. A male with a penis and prostate has no need for tampons or to carry them, and there is only one reason a male would do it. For a sexual fetish. Please wake up.

A transwoman is a male with penis and testicles. He has no lived experience remotely of being a woman. You can disagree with biology and facts all you want, but it is what it is.

Transwomen are MALE with PENIS AND TESTICLES and most certainly should not be free to expose themselves in FEMALE only single sex spaces.

Wrong, rape survivors have been told they must refer to a male's pronouns in court.

Transwomen are fully intact males with male socialisation, male privilege and zero experience of a girl getting her period and growing into a woman and the lived experience as a member of the oppressed sex.
Once again, a transwomen is a FULLY INTACT MALE.

No one is comparing transwomen to rapists. What we are saying is that they are male, and transwomen, as males, have used their male body to rape women, so stop being disingenuous and abusive of rape survivors like me.

Gender Dysphoria is listed in the DSMV.

False!!! Transwomen sexually offend at least 5 times higher than other males. Transwomen are the most dangerous group there is.

Get your facts right. You are way behind. MEDICAL DOCUMENTS prove the male who won Olympic Boxing is a biological male with a micropenis, internal testes, a prostate, no female sex organs, and has 5-ARD. A male specific DSD. You are very misinformed and way, way, way behind. You're embarrassing yourself here. This is why people like you post without even knowing what you're talking about, and we here have the receipts. None of you ever do the slightest research before posting here.

https://www.francsjeux.com/en/short/A-medical-report-relaunches-the-Imane-Khelif-case

That 'article' has been debunked over and over and over again.

If there was a 'test', don't you think trans people would jump at it and use it a proof?

A little common sense and critical thinking wouldn't go astray.

This is not about 'trans' people. This is about MALES. And males in dresses are no different than males in a suit and tie.

There is zero evidence they get any abuse. And even if they did, male on male abuse is not our problem to solve. Women are not human shields for males.

You're just making up lies on the spot now to defend an indefensible position. Even transwomen have said themselves that the worst they might get is a smirk.

It's like they don't realise we are old hands at this and have heard this particular fairy tale numerous times. As well as many others of course.

Don't worry. It didn't happen. This is a popular fairy tale among TRAs

Women wanting to enter the henhouse does not mean other hens want the foxes in our house.

It's more anti-male than it is anti-'trans'. That's what you don't understand. You don't get to rebadge built like a brick shithouse men a 'trans' and tell us it's ok, they're wearing a dress Little Red Ridinghood, it's all ok.... They are fully intact males. Just with a different 'label'.

Weirdly always tampons…

Yes, gender is a misogynistic man-made social construct. Only sex is immutable and real.

And female only spaces are based on sex. Not 'gender identity' in a person's brain. Because females are oppressed and vulnerable based on our sex. Not an 'identity'.

Hence the need to keep all males out of female spaces.

You are advocating to allow fully intact males with PENIS AND TESTICLES where women and girls are getting undressed.

Don't you understand that?

And on race....

By exposing their male genitals in female only spaces.
By taking female awards, medals, scholarships.
By having us redefined to 'birthing parent', 'menstruator' and 'cervix haver'.
By having male crimes listed as womens crimes. I could go on and on and on and on.

What you are asking, is how do males in female only intimate safe single sex spaces affect women and girls and rape survivors like me? Erm.... how about you have a think about that one.

Males are not 'marginalised'.

It wasn't long ago women were fighting for female only spaces. Now, the likes of you are telling us our foremother feminists' achievements were all for nothing and not needed.