Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

You have a good imagination but a misconstrued idea of women.
In fact, I would say a trans idea of women.

You've given me a good laugh though, thanks for that...
I'm due at hospital tomorrow and when I go to the loo I'll be thinking of transwomen handing out tampons!!
It will take my mind off things, I can tell the nurses and we'll all have such a good laugh..
🤣 🤣 🤣

The Tampax man has been identified.

Again, this is the type of question that seems sensible to you because you are not a female person, but is utterly ridiculous to those of us who are.

Yes, a small number of female people do commit sexual assaults on other female people. But far more likely, orders of magnitude more likely, is that the person who sexually assaults a female is male.

So while you, a man who has no experience of what it is to be a woman, are theoretically this-ing and how-do-you-know-that-ing and what-if-the-other-ing, thinking up imaginary maybe scenarios, you are talking to a bunch of women who are thinking "well, apart from that time we were students and a bit drunk and my lesbian friend was leaning on me a bit more friendly than usually, I don't think I've ever been groped, or flashed at, or pressurised for sex, or catcalled, or perved at, or had sexist jokes made about me by a woman, not even when I've been entirely naked in a changing room, but I'd lost count of the number of times a man had done it by the time I was 15 years old. So you know what, yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with the small risk that female pose in a way that I am not when it comes to male people."

Think of it as the difference between crossing a small suburban road on foot vs crossing the M1 on foot. Yes, there's a risk in both cases and sometimes the person on the suburban road will be very unlucky, but I know which one I'd rather do day to day.

I think I know the one you mean, I bet what he really means is he doesn't see the problem with men committing voyeuristic crimes against women.

He's also a creepy little MRA who likes to come here to "upset" the women.

This x 100. I can guarantee you that everyone woman on this thread has had some sort of negative encounter with men and many of us have been sexually assaulted or raped. It is tremendously insulting to us that you would try and argue that women are just as much a risk as men are.

Mate, the simple problem is this.

There is not some mental "womannyness" in our heads that trans women also have.

There is just the fact of our bodies and what that means for us physically and socially.

Any "wommanny" character similarities you may think you see in female people are just the second order effects of having certain experiences and challenges and socialisation in common due to us having the same type of body.

And this means that trans women are in reality no more like female people than any other male.

So there is no justification, none whatsoever, in any space, or right, or language, of women being opened up to trans women.

The idea of a middle ground between men and women where trans women sit is as imaginary as a British anime fan, born and bred in Birmingham to parents whose families have lived there since the civil war, suddenly being given partial Japanese rights because he really likes anime and doesn't think he feels British.

Ahh yes I was 13 (and in school uniform) the first time (and the second and third and 50th) a women in a car beeped her horn at me and shouted innuendos out the window at me. Ohh no that was a bloke.

I was 14 the first time a women asked me for sex then said I didn't actually want to shag you anyway you ugly bitch. Ohh no my mistake also a male.

First hand up skirt on public transport, tits 'accidently' grabbed on the tube, boss who used to hilariously ask for a blow job every time I was getting paper out of the low cupboard to restock the printer, the time someone chatted me up in the pub and when I turned them down tried to bottle me. All blokes.

And I consider myself one of the 'lucky' ones I've not been raped or seriously sexually assaulted. Just 40 years of low level creepy shit so no I don't want to get my tits out in the swimming pool changing room for the validation of a man with lady feels thanks.

Women aren't exempt from sexism and misogyny. Women protested against women's right to vote. Women join anti abortion groups. Women run brothels and groom young girls as prostitutes. It is women who carry out FGM.

And it's even coming from a place of caring, of helping even. Fish have no word for water, and it's hard to see the walls of sexism when you and every woman you've ever known have all grown up inside them. All they see is how to live best within the walls, how best to play the cards they are dealt.

We are all shaped by the norms of our culture and for those from cultiral subgroups whose cultural power is relatively low, maintaining relative power and safety by aligning with those norms and showing what a good example of your group you are is a better bet than challenging them.

Aww, he seems to have gone now. I wanted some more ridiculous posts.
That tampon one was hilarious.

"Women helping women" 😁 plus some random trans guy handing out a tampon.

Seriously though, It just shows they have no idea how we women think.
No bloody idea.

That's why they need to get into our toilets and dressing rooms. They have no idea what we do in there and that drives them mad.

Don't know why, because I don't give a shit what men do in theirs?

You just jumped the shark into full-on Jessica "wax my balls" Yaniv territory.

I've never asked for, nor been asked for, san pro in my life, except by friends and family who asked very quietly.

It is a legal requirement that, if your job requires to change at work, sufficient changing rooms are provided, with men segregrated by space or time from women.

Your employer is probably breaking the law.

This is from the IPSOS report. Quite a striking image.

LOL I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 10 please.

At the risk of feeding a wank bank, I'll share a "living as a women" secret for you.

Corner shops, garages, supermarkets - they all sell san pro.

So when we are caught short we don't ask some random, we shove loo roll in our knickers and go and find a shop.

The few of us who still use disposables rather than period pants and/or mooncups.

One day... my photo of Dylan Mulvaney (with boxes of tampons) will be approved and show.

This is also quite a striking image.

Yes. We understand that you cannot recognise boundaries that are being crossed.

What that male person did was predatory, yet you cannot recognise this.

Can I also point out to you, that as a female person, I have also never carried san pro around ‘just in case someone needs it’. I carry it in case ‘I’ need it.

There is a massive massive difference and you have such low boundaries that you cannot recognise the issue here. And instead of asking us about what we mean, you have doubled down and defended that male person’s action.

Yet apparently, we are the people with the issues here in recognising appropriate behaviour.

Yep.

You have an issue with boundaries. Thank you for confirming that.

It is. Especially the degree of change in female respondants in the last 5 years.

We are seeing people move from uneducated kindness to educated wariness I think.

Yes! I think we are used to being told that if you are not on board with trans activist demands you are old and irrelevant. This image shows that people are waking up to what is actually happening at all ages.

Those of us who do want to help other women and girls in this regard:

• Supported the Red Box campaign to get free sanpro into every school, where the girls cannot just nip to the shops.
• Petition community centres to put sanpro in the loos.
• Quietly put sanpro in the loos of clubs we are members of, paying for it ourselves if need be.

Those three measures help every woman and girl using that loo because they don't rely on individuals serendipitously being there to hand the sanpro out at just the right time.

We don't carry spares and performatively offer them to randomers. For starters, women and girls don't ask strangers for sanpro because it's a financial imposition akin to asking for a quid and talking about periods is still embarrassing for many. For seconds, we don't have space in our bags for spares. For thirds, it's creepy as fuck to go around offering sanpro to women and girls just in case they need it but are too shy to ask.

Yep. Loo roll or tissues and go and find something.

"We don't carry spares and performatively offer them to randomers. For starters, women and girls don't ask strangers for sanpro because it's a financial imposition akin to asking for a quid and talking about periods is still embarrassing for many. For seconds, we don't have space in our bags for spares. For thirds, it's creepy as fuck to go around offering sanpro to women and girls just in case they need it but are too shy to ask."

I have to wonder how the FUCK did the offer even come about! Who the fuck asks a male person if they have a tampon! And who person asks a female person if they need a tampon?

Why would a male person be offering???

Why would a male person be offering???

For addition to the mental spank bank, is the only reason I can think of.

I think we all know it "came about" entirely within someone's imagination.

Either Gnasher made it up himself because "it definitely could happen, so that's pretty much the same as saying it did happen", or he read it as a "this really happened to me" story from a TiM on Reddit, didn't realise it's just TiM fantasy/wish fulfilment, and retold it attributing it to his sister to give it more authority.

I'd be wondering what he'd have done to it tbh!

Would I fuck be taking a tampon from a random bloke!

It's red flag parade territory.